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not sleeping through at 3mth

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BabyJoe · 03/11/2008 16:13

My son has recently moved to his cotbed which is fine, however his sleeping pattern has changed

At present bath time is 7ish and then bfeeding to sleep, this works well, Joe sleeps for around 3/4 hours waking around 12/1 ish, however recently after this feed he has started to wake up again every 1.5 to 2hrs and by 5.30/6ish i'm so tired i just bring him to bed and he sleeps really well.

Does anyone have any ideas on how i can get Joe back to waking only twice through the night???? (have tried feeding him again before i go to bed, however he still keeps waking, after having the first 4hr sleep)

Any suggestions would be great.
very tired mummy

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iwantasecondone · 03/11/2008 16:20

Sounds like the classic growth spurt...afraid it is just a case of wait it out...it will pass!

wastingmyeducation · 03/11/2008 16:27

Is he warm enough? HV said this happens every year in the autumn. I am buying long-sleeve vests and a 2.5 tog bag.

xx

stiggywiggywoo · 06/11/2008 16:12

I am so glad I saw your post.My 12 week old has been doing exactly the same thing for the past 2 weeks and I am totally exhausted. We were getting 6 hours before he woke at first ( from 6pm to midnight) but now its 4 hours if we're lucky and then every 1 1/2 hours after that. I just seem to be going backwards. It makes me feel a bit better that its not just me. It doesn't help my mother and sister keep telling me to give him formula as my breastmilk is not keeping him satisfied.I have tried dream feeding but like your baby he just seems to do the 4 hours and that's it nomatter how much he's had.( I even give him 4 -5oz of expressed milk as well as a full breast feed). I don't suppose this is any help to you - but you're not alone out there.

BabyJoe · 07/11/2008 13:37

Thanks for the feed back, things are still the same however i am starting to think that my son is poss. needing to start slowly towards solids which i'm thinking of introducing in the next couple of wks as he will be 4mths will see how that goes.....

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geordieminx · 07/11/2008 13:44

It is a growth spurt - give him more milk - milk has more calories and will fill him up more than mashed carrot or whatever.

The WHO guidelines reccomend babies are not weaned before 6 months - this is because before this time their digestive systems are not mature enough to cope with wheat/gluten etc.

Mij · 07/11/2008 13:50

Obviously it's your choice babyjoe, but have to let you down gently re: solids.

Apart from the guidelines re: not weaning before 6 months for good, solid, medical reasons based on newer research than that on which the old 4-6mths recommendation, solid food doesn't necessarily help babies to sleep for longer. In fact, it can make things worse for some kids. First foods (and at 4mths you're probably going to be going for pureed fruit and vegetables I'd guess) are full of fibre and water, fill your babe's tummy up, are hard to digest (so may make them more windy) and yield far less fat and other nutritionally satisfying stuff.

Please note the careful use of 'some', 'can', 'may' etc, as otherwise there will be a string of replies saying that XXX's baby slept through from their first solid meal. All I mean is that solids are no guarantee of a better night's sleep. Sorry.

nappyaddict · 07/11/2008 14:18

As you know you really shouldn't wean until they are ready and never before 17 weeks. Being ready is when they are holding their head up, sitting up straight with minimal support (ie not being slumped in a highchair but you can use the shoulder straps to support them a bit if they aren't sitting completely alone), have lost the tongue thrust reflex (if they still have it their tongues will push food out of the mouth and they won't be able to swallow it all only little bits), able to pick small chunks of food up, put them in the mouth, chew and swallow it properly. When they are doing this then you can go straight onto finger foods and skip the puree stage. It generally happens some time between 17 and 26 weeks but usually closer to 26 weeks than 17 weeks - it can happen at 17 weeks but it's rare. it's so much easier cos you can just give them what you are eating without faffing about with a blender and worrying about avoiding lots of foods.

Being ready for weaning is not when they have doubled their birth weight, their weight gain is slowing, they are looking at food, feeding more frequently and waking up in the night more. The last two are most commonly associated with a growth spurt which can last up to 8 weeks - a fact unknown by many. Growth spurts usually only last a few weeks but they can last much longer than this.

Weaning before they are showing the signs i mentioned in the first paragraph should only be advised by a paediatric nutritionist. they are the people who are experts in this area - more so than a hv/gp/general paed/dietician. in very rare cases a paed nutritionist might advise early weaning for example if a baby is losing weight or if they have crossed the thrive line. to my knowledge they would not advise it just because they are not gaining much and have fallen off the growth charts (i got told that as long as there is a gain that is good), they are taking too much milk, are feeding every hour, have constipation or reflux. i had all this with ds and i was explicitly told not to wean early as it could make things worse.

if a paed nutritionist did advise weaning before 26 weeks they would say to steer clear of anything except for fruit and veg. this is because things like nuts, fish (both normal fish and shellfish), meat, gluten, rice and dairy are frequently things people are intolerant to. even with just sticking to fruit and veg weaning before 26 weeks is still quite difficult because fruits and veg that you should avoid before 26 weeks are apples, pears, plums, cherries, nectarines, peaches, mangoes, melons, bananas, kiwis, raspberries, grapes, strawberries, citrus fruits, tomatoes, mushrooms, peas and peppers because they are common allergens aswell. the most common fruits to be allergic to usually have seeds or stones and the vegetables are usually beans or legumes. doesn't leave you with much to try does it!! even the gluten free, sugar free rusks are sweetened with apple or grape juice juice. Basically if you do end up weaning before 26 weeks make sure you avoid the things i mentioned above otherwise you don't need jars or rice you can just puree your own fruit and veg.

HTH

GColdtimer · 07/11/2008 14:31

echol what the others say - growth spurt, give him more milk. I weaned a little bit early, against my better judgement because of pressure from family and it made no difference. In fact it was worse! 3months is still very young to be sleeping through (altouhgh I would say that because DD didn't until she was 2.5 )

Honestly I know its tough but it is completely normal.

Gemzooks · 07/11/2008 19:25

I would make sure he is getting enough milk, maybe keep him awake a bit to have the bedtime feed before letting him drop off (e.g. open window, blow on his ear or whatever).

It's a common prob for one's own milk supply to be quite low in the evenings, which might be why he's not getting enough, especially as you're knackered. I def had this prob. Make sure you have a massive snack and sit down if possible around 4-5, to generate enough for bedtime, and also have a really big early supper so by midnight you've stocked up again on milk. I found drinking just one dark beer really helped. (the old Guinness idea, but it does work).

Also keep him warm and his room cold. I still swaddled at 3 months and it was great.

Please don't wean as it's really too soon.

fledtoscotland · 07/11/2008 20:13

some babies just dont sleep through at 3months regardless of whether or not they are hungry/warm/cold etc etc. DS1 only started to sleep for more than 4hrs at a time at 9months.

IM very limited E i would expect a 12week old baby to wake at least once in the night for a feed

babbi · 07/11/2008 23:13

I would have been delighted if my DD had slept as you described at 13th months never mind 3 months!! Sounds as if baby is doing just fine , regrettably sleepless nights just go with the territory .
My DD didn`t sleep through the night until 18 months ! Prior to that it was mostly each hour she was up.
Also totally agree with other posters eating a lot or little made no difference to what she slept .

Chin up - it won`t be forever !

phdlife · 07/11/2008 23:23

good lord ds didn't sleep through until 18m!!!

clemette · 07/11/2008 23:52

We still get woken every 90 minutes through the night by DS who is ten months. He has been like this since birth though so at least I haven't suffered any sleep "regressions". It must be frustrating when they have done it and stop...

tryingtoleave · 08/11/2008 04:12

The last time ds slept through was when he was 4 months. He's now 27 months.

Wallace · 08/11/2008 05:54

Do we have twins trying to leave? Ds2 is 27 months and slept through from 9 months to 4 months, and then stopped. There has been the odd night recently where he has slept through so fingers crossed xx

georgimama · 08/11/2008 06:12

He's only 12 weeks old. I would be surprised at a 12 week old that did sleep thruogh the night. Sorry.

DS didn't sleep through AT ALL, not once, until he was 8 months. Even after that he still woke more nights than he didn't. He is now 22 months and is ust about doing 7-6ish.

It just takes some babies a while, and don't forget, mostwomen lie in RL about how soon their DCs sleep through. I have no idea why, it doesn't make you a better mother, but they do.

Please don't wean yet.

CoteDAzur · 08/11/2008 07:22

I'm not lying when I say DD slept through at 4 months, and she was not yet weaned.

What got her to sleep through was that we stopped the night feeds.

1st night: crying for several hours
2nd night: crying for about an hour
3rd night: slept through and has been sleeping through ever since, growth spurt or not.

Either resign yourself to sleepless nights until your baby (toddler?) decides to sleep through the night (which might be a year away), or give it another month or two and cut out night feeds.

  • While DD was crying those first 2 nights, we never left her alone, in case anyone is wondering. There was just no feeding.
lizziemun · 08/11/2008 07:58

Weaning will not help with sleeping through.

FWIW dd1 didn't sleep through the night until she was 2yrs old. At 12 wks she was drinking 7oz every 4 hours. DD2 slept through from 8wks but was only drink 4oz every 4/5 hours. Some babies just sleep through earlier then others.

meandmyjoe · 08/11/2008 09:01

Agree with lizzie and nappy, weaning isn't really the way to go. Solids have FAR less calories in than milk. My ds slept through from 10 weeks but that was with a dreamfeed at 10:30pm and I was very very lucky. I really don't think a baby is ready for solids before 20 weeks but of course it's your choice. I think what you are experiencing is very normal for many 3 month olds and I would try (if you can bear it) to hold off the weaning. I weaned ds ar 23 weeks and even that was fairly early but he was ready, sitting up, and feeding himself so you will know when the time is right.

BabyJoe · 09/11/2008 21:37

Thank you all for your comments they are very helpful.

When i posted my last message re working towards solids, i was not thinking along the lines of food as such, more of formula as i have had problems with my own milk (long story) however i am bfeeding which i have no plans to stop just yet.

Once again thanks for all the comments, babyjoe is doing a little better re sleep however each night is different and each feed is a full feed so still poss.a growth spurt.

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newmum28 · 03/03/2009 09:45

Hi, I'm new here. My DD is 3 months and she usually goes to bed at 7, wakes around 12 and then half four or five for a feed. Sometimes she wakes more and has to be settled, but generally she's doing pretty well. She is in her own room in her cot now and sleeping better than when she was in with us. She is formula fed. My problem is that she is starving at night and taking 2 full bottles, but during the day she often will just have 3 or 4 ounces at a feed and won't take any more. We tried a dreamfeed a few weeks back for a couple of weeks but it didn't seem to make any difference and she always woke up. I was thinking of cutting down the amount we give her at night so she is hungrier during the day? Or reintroducing a dreamfeed type thing? would appreciate any ideas, thanks.

badbadday · 03/03/2009 09:53

newmum we had this problem. DS would only take 3-4 oz during the day (bottle) but would then want to feed every hour through the night (bf).

The way I approached it was to just keep offering bigger bottle feeds during the day, and also a dreamfeed about 11pm. Gradually his day feeds got bigger, and now he usually takes 7oz during the day, and 9oz for his 8pm feed. We still offer a dreamfeed (8 months) and he takes around 3-4oz. He has just now dropped the night feeds after all this time, but i still don't feel ready to drop the dreamfeed

All that said, he does still wake in the night (frequently every hour). Not from hunger, but because he just seems to be a very light sleeper

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