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HELP*MY 19MTH BABY BOY PASSES OUT WHEN HAVING A TANTRUM!*

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mumof3gems · 02/11/2008 20:55

Hi
Can anyone share experience or give advice? My 19mth baby has started to pass out when having a crying tantrum, he starts to cry then does what I call a silent cry when he is breathing in, he then is either not breathing out or carnt, goes blue and passes out. It is so frightening, the doctors just say he will grow out of it! Help!!

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twoluvlykids · 02/11/2008 20:57

this happened to my friends dd.

she was told by hv it's attention seeking, she was to put dd in her cot, walk away and ignore.

it worked, she did grow out of it and is lovely sweet natured 12 yo.

Dragonbutter · 02/11/2008 21:01

DS1 used to do this at about the same age. He's 4 now and it doesn't happen very often now. If he really hurts himself he does the silent cry, holds his breath til his lips go a bit blue and then he goes a bit spacey.
It is really scary, but i don't think they can do themselves any real harm. It's not really possible to hold your breath, eventually you have to breathe in.
The other thing that used to make it happen was if he got a fright.

I don't really have advice. Just try not to get too stressed about it, or if possible don't make too much of a fuss about it as he might start doing it on purpose.

pookamoo · 02/11/2008 21:03

mumof3 my RL friend's little boy does something similar. She is a MNer so I will point her in the direction of this thread and see if she has any advice for you. Does he do it every time he has a tantrum, or just sometimes?

FiveGoMadInDorset · 02/11/2008 21:04

Poated on the other thread you started.

PsychoGuyFawkesMum · 02/11/2008 21:26

it si scary, but please believe your doc.....he will grow out of it.

My DS2 used to do this......he started doing it before he even started to walk...the very first time was at Street (clarks village) and he had thrown up.....he went to play with the sick, I pulled him away to clean him up, and he started to scream and promplty passed out.....and I then started to scream thinking he had literally died in my arms!

he did come round......and he then did it again the following day at a 1st b/day party. I walked away from him leaving him with my friend, and cue lots of screaming from her and several other women.....and an ambulance being called....!!!

he was fine, he always was......he used to go to tantrum and instead just stop breathing and go blue. once he had passed out, his normal life kicked back in again (for want of better words) and he started breathing again and so come round.

he had no reactions to it all, bar maybe being a little sleepy.....it just continued for several years.....well until he was in nursery and almost at school.

please do not worry. It is terrifying and scary, but it does not harm them, and they soon come back round again. there is nothing you can do to stop it, (bar blowing on their face maybe.......I did that, it made no difference to if he carried on or not, but I felt as tho I was doing something IYGWIM).....you just have to wait for them to grow out of it and try not to let them see you panic.

Theladyevenstar · 02/11/2008 23:19

Just a bit of advice from someone who has a ds1 now 10yrs old and still this happens. After 5 yrs of worrying he was Diagnosed with RAS reflex anoxic seizures. I used to think he was breath holding etc but after a lot of research this is what I have found out about RAS.

A reflex anoxic seizure is a type of fit triggered by a temporary cutting off of the supply of blood to the brain.

It is not epilepsy, and is different from breath-holding attacks.

A reflex anoxic seizure can be induced by any unexpected stimuli such as pain, fear or fright, or even by a very hot or cold bath.

The trigger factor causes the heart to stop or slow down dramatically, which in turn reduces the flow of blood to the brain.

The child goes limp, falls down and becomes very pale. The body may stiffen and there may be jerking movements of the arms and legs.

After a short while the blood flow to the brain is restored and the child rapidly returns to normal although they may sleep for some time afterwards. I generally find DS1 sleeps for about an hour and is then fine.

Although parents often say their child looks as if they have died during an attack, I have never heard of the condition causing death. And I now know a lot of people whose children have this, although it is quite rare. 8 out of 1000 preschoolers.

Often no treatment is required, but some studies have suggested that the drug atropine is effective in reducing the frequency of the attacks.

Thankfully, reflex anoxic seizures usually get less frequent and eventually stop during childhood. Occasionally the attacks persist into early adult life.

Hope this helps everyone, because what is often mistaken for passing out through holding breath or having a tantrum or attention seeking can be RAS. Yes it is scarey but you do learn to deal with it. WIth ds1 it is pain that causes his and the way we deal with it is we talk whatever nonsense comes to mind.

Theladyevenstar · 02/11/2008 23:21

Psycho, you have basically described an almost typical RAS sufferer.

debzmb62 · 02/11/2008 23:52

your doc is correct i have had expereiance of this to they do grow out of it and like you say he pass,s out once he passes out he will natrally breath normal

giraffescantdancethetango · 03/11/2008 00:00

A 2yr old had a RAS in my arms, after a balloon burst. (I thought he was dead, still haunts me now) Paramedics were convinced he had just been tantruming but I was adimant he wasnt as he had been fine, eventually childrens hosp diagnosed RAS. Once I read up on them it made the idea of it less scary.

PsychoGuyFawkesMum · 03/11/2008 09:43

funny you should say that Lady, my DD3 was DX'd with RAS at almost 2! she had caught her thumb in a door and pulled the nail almost entirely off. She had a funny turn, and we took her to hospital, where again she went all strange on them, and then had a seizure.......but she then went unconsious and they could not rouse her for over 3hrs.

they said then about RAS and I was a member of the stars.org group for some years.

the difference I was told between DD3 and DS1 was the fact that DS1 went blue, where-as DD3 did not. apart from that tho, they were identical!

both have grown out of it all now tho, altho DD3 still goes a wee bit odd if she hurts herself.......bit like me in fact. If I stubb my toes, I am lucky not to pass out completely........I do go very shakey and clammy and feel very very odd tho.

kitsmummy · 03/11/2008 09:53

Mumof3, I used to do this as a child but i'm now 33 and I don't do it anymore . I think my mum used to just leave me on the floor and i'd come round, unharmed.

ClareVoiant · 03/11/2008 09:53

Don't have time to write a long post. But have written about my experiences before. Ask for an iron blood test. Ds had this, i requested a blood test after searching th internet. His iron levels were half what they should have been. After six months on an iron supplement we've not had another one.

ClareVoiant · 03/11/2008 12:55

hi again,

home now and time to search for the previous thread. here. whilst RAS, as others have said is quite common in babies / toddlers, it has also been linked to low iron levels. there are some links to research on this other thread.
whilst it may not be the cause in your dc's case, its worth investigating especially if, like ds, the episodes get closer together (more than once a day) or more scary (convulsions).

hth

cherrylips · 03/11/2008 15:35

My daughter has done this once, after she had fallen over. She was running down our street having a tantrum, and then swooned to the floor and passed out. She went v pale and her lips were going blue. I lifted her up, straight and this seemed to trigger her to start breathing again. She came round quickly.

mumof3gems · 05/11/2008 14:29

Thankyou 2 everyone who for your advice and experiences, it has been very reasuring, although it is still frightening.

Many thanks

Mumof3gems

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