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'Sin Bins' for 3 yr olds?

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Debsb · 11/04/2001 13:41

I've just been looking at the bbc news website (yes it's a boring day at work today!) & the ATL are proposing 'Sin Bins' for 3 year olds & reception children because of their bad behaviour! Apparently there are no facilities for excluding children from nursery or reception classes even if they repeatedly beat up other kids.
What does everyone else think about this?

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Tigermoth · 11/04/2001 13:50

Better not start me on this topic, Debsb! I need to know exactly how the proposed sin bin system would work before I can pass comment. Do hope it's not called a sin bin though.

Sml · 11/04/2001 13:58

I would rather see a positive investment in a lot more teachers to deal with unruly children in far smaller classes. Unlikely to happen though.

Robinw · 11/04/2001 19:42

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Jezzz · 12/04/2001 10:24

hang on, while I appreciate there may be 'no' support for the victims, what about support for the aggressive child and there struggling family? What damage could be caused by a 'sin bin'. Can someone clarify this term...

Robinw · 12/04/2001 19:48

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Jezzz · 13/04/2001 13:29

I have repeatedly asked for help for my child since he was 20 months old, having recognised myself that he was overtly aggressive. I was consistently told that he was 'normal'. At the age of 6 he is close to expulsion, we (the family) are at a loss, no help has ever been offered, let alone given even though requested. We have spent a small fortune on alternative therapies.
Incidently he is no bully, but will vent his temper on 'things' around him.
His siblings are perfectly 'normal'...

Robinw · 13/04/2001 20:30

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Hazzy · 21/04/2001 16:06

Robinw,

Was it the EWO (Educational Welfare Officer) you spoke to at the Council/LEA? I was interested to see that you considered educating at home - what were your arguments for and against? Our six-year-old is educated at home, after he'd spent a miserable year at our local school. We had already considered home education, but this experience decided it for us.

Having 'sin bins' for three-year-olds is a pretty horrifying prospect. The reason the school can't exclude the 'pupil' is because s/he is not of compulsory school age. All the school can do is lean on the parents to withdraw the child.

I thought it was significant that this 'bad behaviour' problem was linked to nursery classes attached to schools. I wonder if the school set-up, with its larger classes, its teachers and the early emphasis on 'proper' learning rather than playing, might actually cause these behavioural problems. I don't know of any 'traditional' nurseries which have problems of violence like this.

In my humble opinion, much bad behaviour has fairly immediate causes to do with the child's desires, needs and frustrations. These days, experts all too readily look to involve psychologists, to give diagnoses and put the burden on the parents to 'solve' the problem. Perhaps we should listen to children more and make them fit the system less.

Anyway, if you want to discuss these or any other home education issues, please pop in at the 'How about home education?' discussion I've launched.

Robinw · 21/04/2001 19:51

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Mel · 28/04/2001 17:44

Hazzy
Couldn't agree more with your comment about bad behaviour being caused by children's needs, desires and frustrations! WHY do we (alone in most of the world I think) deem it so vital to send our children so young into such a formal, educational system? Schools have moved ever further away from the children's needs as young children and more and more to the pushing of academic skills. We will be reaping the 'benefits' of this for years to come!!!!

Patsy · 25/08/2001 10:45

Most parents send their children to school early to save on childminder fees. In addition, as someone previously mentioned, the social aspect. If most of the children of a similar age are going into 'formal' education early your child will not have anyone to play with if they don't go as well.

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