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7 year old getting so very frustrated

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PeaMcLean · 23/09/2008 21:46

that he'll end up in tears. Twice today.

He doesn't normally cry about anything. But if there's something he can't do, he'll end up in tears and shouting "I can't do it! I'll never be able to do it!" and getting upset and pouty.

Over things like (so far this week):
Tieing a particular knot like I did
Certain games on the Wii with his dad. Fine with trampolining, swimming, hated some of the others and ended up in tears.
Spellings. Ones he's got right before. God forbid he should write the wrong letter by accident! And no, he can't just cross it out and try it again because that would be the wrong column. Durrr!
5 times table. I know he can do his five times table standing on his head but once he's decided he can't because of one tiny slip, that's it really.

He gets so cross and can be really easily defeated. He's such a perfectionist, everything has to be just right or else he sulks.

I try to gently explain that some things just take practice, and (slightly less gently) if he'll just stop and let me show him he might be able to do it himself. But no, he's got to get stuck in and try it first off. I know that's fairly normal but to get soooo upset about it, he really does need to calm down.

Should I just let him grow out of it, or do you think there's anything I can do to help him stay calmer longer? It's getting a bit difficult to live with, and I dread to think how his poor teacher, and his friends, cope with him and his perfectionist ways.

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IlanaK · 23/09/2008 21:51

You are describing my 7 year old exactly. He has always been like this. And for me it is worse as I home school so we can get this daily over his work.

Recently, I have had to take the approach that he needs "snapping out of it". So, if he makes a mistake on something, or finds it hard and starts this cycle of getting upset, saying he can't do it etc, I have to step in and insist. Sometimes this means actually talking him through something in an exaggerated step by step way - insisting he does it with no arguement. Then he does it and there is no problem - except the sulking of course!

PeaMcLean · 23/09/2008 21:58

Hmm. That's interesting. Are we being too nice?

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mckenzie · 23/09/2008 22:07

I'm with both of you on this one. My DS who is also 7, hits himself, hard, on the side of the head if he gets a spelling wrong or makes a mistake with a sum etc.
At the moment I'm being really careful what I comment on as he seems to be hitting himself much too much. (Yesterday morning he reprimanded himself for waking up before 7am ). He did it for a while at the beginning of the year but then stopped and I assumed it was just a phase. But now it's come back. I'm on a school trip with his class tomorrow and I'm hoping I might get the chance to speak to his new teacher about it. I'll report back with any comments/advice.

PeaMcLean · 23/09/2008 22:24

Mckenzie that sounds awful. I'd be interested to hear what the teacher suggests.

I don't know that I can change what i comment on. I'd end up not saying anything!
Literally today, he was tieing a knot in a piece of string and being intrigued about it in the way only a 7 year old can be. So I showed him "a magic knot", which looks like a knot and disappears as soon as you pull it (ie, it's really not magic at all). So he wanted to know how to do it. I tried to show him. Escalated very quickly into tears and frustration.

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IlanaK · 23/09/2008 22:40

Thought I would share a recent similar example:

Got given a "design your own mug" kit. Special pens to draw design on a white mug. Left him to do it and heard him come stamping and shouting down the hall "I hate it, I hate it, I hate it!". Massive tantrum all caused because he did not like what he drew on the mug -not perfect enough.

mckenzie · 23/09/2008 22:46

I can relate to both of your experiences. It's so sad isn't it?
So we are now the three musketeers and together we will discover why our children are doing this, if there is anything we can do to help them, or if we just have to let nature run it's course and be glad that our sons have high standards .

PeaMcLean · 23/09/2008 22:52

Bolleaux to high standards! i want to parent a happy looser

Ilana, yes I can imagine exactly what happened, LOL

A friend of mine would suggest that we tease it out of them. Gently laugh it off. I haven't mastered that one either.

There must be a right way to approach this. Anyone got a text book?

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Spatz · 23/09/2008 22:55

My DD also gets very stressed when she makes mistakes, but equally doesn't want to learn, or listen to me.

She's started getting homework and I've actually made her do it 'properly' to my standard and after alot of fuss she's made a really good job of it, enjoyed it and been proud of the work she has produced. So maybe we do have to be more heavy-handed than we expect.

I've also been heaping on the praise for the good stuff.

Spatz · 23/09/2008 22:56

I tried the teasing out of it and it appears to work and then the next day I'm told 'Mum I don't like it when you....' describing in detail my cunning ruse!

PeaMcLean · 23/09/2008 23:03

Yes, I think I need to try out being a bit more heavy handed.

Though DS has previously criticised my powers of explanation (!) so there's a lot of pressure to get it right first time

I'm beginning to wonder about the praising the good stuff thing. Does he get frustrated that he's not getting praise? Is the good stuff too rewarding and that's why he hates it when he doesn't get there?

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Spatz · 23/09/2008 23:12

I have a couple of catch-phrases they use alot at school - 'clever mistakes' and DS's yr1 motto is 'be happy, have a go' which I use with DD (7) with a big grin since it's so childish for a big 7-year-old.

I'm full of top ideas, but still struggling to find the right approach. Being tough on standards seemed to work with written homework to hand in, but last week's spellings were a disaster. Tears the night before and then again when the spellings were returned and she'd made 2 mistakes. I want her to learn that you have to try not just assume you can breeze in and do everything without any effort and that the results just don't matter, but I don't want to stress her out either ... aaaaargh!

mckenzie · 24/09/2008 20:15

I spoke to the teachers today. DS's class teacher had not seen this behaviour in DS at all but the teaching assistant (who was also DS' TA last year) was aware of it although not the head hitting, just the getting upset at failure. It was suggested that i should try and remain clam at DS's actions, explain that we need to sometimes make mistakes to learn more and to move on to the next sum/spelling etc.
It was also suggested that i should let DS see me make mistakes, spelling mistakes when writing a birthday card or shopping list, spelling mistakes when counting out money in a shop to pay for something etc. Not constantly but occasionally, and say out loud something along the lines of 'oh dear, silly me, I got it wrong that time. I normally don't make that mistake though do I so I wont worry about it'.

They did reassure me though that this behaviour is not unusual, it is usually temporary and therefore just to remain calm and try and distract.

PeaMcLean · 24/09/2008 22:20

Thanks for coming back mckenzie. That sounds very sensible, and sort of what we're doing.

Maybe that's why he enjoys pointing out when I've got things wrong [amateur psychologist emoticon]

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katiek123 · 25/09/2008 20:10

pea, mckenzie, and all of you, fascinating thread - i also have a 7 yr old who has been this way from the very word go. the years 2-4 were particularly explosive and in fact rage punctuated every hour of the day, looking back. i have had years of dramatic meltdowns upon eg not being able to (on very first try)...tie knots, get tights on, peel stickers off objects, get spellings right first time, get homework right first time etc. motherhood has been utterly draining much of the time!!

i can't really teach her anything and thank god for school where she is much more self-controlled and does well academically - i am FULL of admiration for you ilanak for home schooling - we couldn't hack that in a zillion years!

craft kits put the fear of god into me - argh!! - and yet she loves making things and is always asking me to show her how to sew (double-argh!!), help her make a fairy house etc.

BUT it's getting better with age. and perhaps for those of you whose kids weren't like this before, it may get better soon of its own accord...i believe that a lot of it in my daughter's case is maturational and possibly to do with her prematurity - she was 10 weeks early and ex-prems are apparently v prone to excessive anxiety/frustration etc.

the key is definitely to remain calm and act like it's not a big deal. reassurance without being over-the-top is good for her - i don't over-egg the pudding any more as i spent too many years being overly sensitive and touchy-feely without much benefit.

if it's a big meltdown in her case, a time-out in her bedroom has helped on many occasions, not necessarily in a punitive way (it's clear to me these meltdowns frighten/disorientate her as much as they dismay me.) - she is a massive bookworm so i tend to put her in her bedroom firmly and calmy with a pile of books and tell her she can read until she calms down and then can come out again.

homework we have to divide into bite-size chunks and never attempt too much at any one time. i also find doing it in a public place (eg while her bro is at his football after school!or in the library)helpful as she is more controlled in public places.

she is tricky with me over such things and yet fine at school - so often the way - we mums get the flack and the teachers see the more self-controlled child! but i'm obviously grateful that she can keep it together in the school environment.

kids like this grow into bright, able and - yes! - perfectionist, high-achieving adults. i would often settle for medium-achieving but more mellow, i must admit, but hey, you don't get to choose!! and there are loads of positives (which i admit i have not highlighted here, have i!)

good luck to all my fellow mums-to-high-intensity, perfectionist kids!

Takver · 25/09/2008 20:49

Loads of this sounds just like my DD, although rather than beating herself up (metaphorically or literally) she often simply refuses to do things that she thinks she will get wrong. IlanaK, your story of the 'design a mug' kit sounds so like what DD would do - even though her design would probably look just great to anyone else.
I don't have great hopes of her growing out of it sadly as DH is just the same in terms of frustration and perfectionism. Fortunately being 38 not 6 he doesn't take it out on us but retreats to his workshop and swears at anyone coming in until he achieves whatever he is trying to do.

katiek123 · 25/09/2008 21:15

takver - like you i resign myself to the fact that you never grow out of these particular tendencies - just get better at managing them! my DH is a total perfectionist too and DD (who is his clone both physically and in other ways too) already knows that 'me and daddy like things to be just right and you two (ie mummy and her little brother) don't mind so much if they're not'!! insight isn't everything but it helps...

mumoftantrums · 18/07/2012 03:04

Hi, I have found this thread very interesting, as I have a six year old ds, who shows all the issues described here, severe tantrums, hitting himself when he does not achieve, our has got himself into trouble by not listening.
I was shocked at his birthday party while playing musical chairs, he chose to be the first out, didn't even try, and then punched himself in the stomach as punishment. He knew the chances of him winning were 1 in 15, odds not worth putting the effort onto...

He won't try new things, and then when he is ready tends to do them near perfectly (he watches and learns before trying, which my dh does too). He has always been litre this, from walking, talking, getting dressed, using scissors, colouring etc. This has been raised at school too and while isn't a problem now may become when he has to start actually 'learning'. I therefore need to find ways of helping him accept there is a process to learning or I fear he may fall behind, even if he is academically fine now

The tantrums are obviously worse when he is tired, which he trends to get very quickly. He refuses to take a nap or even have down time to regain his energy, and this just becomes a fighting battle. Doing something quite like beading,drawing, jigsaws just end on a tantrum because he can't do them right. He won't let me read to him, or read himself, as he knows what I am trying to do.

I am at my wits end as to how to help himccope with his personality and me cope too. As this thread is now two years old I was wondering how you were getting on and any tips?

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