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Effects of television: What do YOU think?

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Donk · 22/09/2008 20:56

This weeks TES magazine has a worrying article about several pieces of recent research into the effects of television on children.
here

What do you think of the article?

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mrsgboring · 23/09/2008 09:05

Must confess I haven't read the article yet...

I can well believe that children are watching this amount of telly. I know from my own childhood I watched plenty and was definitiely one of the less telly addicted (particularly when we lived in an area of high social deprivation). A lot of children get far less sleep than recommended too, so that gives them more watching hours.

I do wonder if excessive telly is a symptom of something else, rather than the root of the problem. Parents who are stressed, depressed, ill etc. put the telly on more. Perhaps it is not telly per se that is the cause of many of these problems, but the family circumstances that have led to it.

Am currently ill with pregnancy sickness. I know it's going to be a long haul, so I have actively encouraged telly in a way I would never have done before. DS is watching more telly, but the problem isn't really the telly, it's that his mum is rubbish and distant and tired at the moment.

googgly · 23/09/2008 09:14

I used to watch masses of telly, but now I don't watch it at all, and don't put it on for the dcs unless they're at home poorly or something, or on a wet Saturday morning. They look like zombies when they're watching TV, and I find it a bit scary how much they love it.

What I really hate is when I'm at someone's house, and their small children wander in from school or get up in the morning and go straight to switch on the TV without even asking. It seems to be a part of the whole syndrome of families not doing things together and not talking to each other. I'd hate to see my kids downing their frosties in front of CBeebies.

MilaMae · 23/09/2008 11:02

I had 3 under 18months so mine have watched tv from an early age(2 hours or less a day,very rarely more). I found the benefits for me were immense, I would have gone insane without it and been far more shouty than I was at times.

To me a happy home environment was important, I neeeeeded the tv on at times to amuse 1,2 or 3 of them. Yes I could have left them to it but 9 times out of 10 1 would have bugged the others etc and I would have got v stressed when making the lunch etc. I never had it on as wallpaper noise it was programs I chose and went off when I said.

My dc only watched Cbeebies. I am an ex primary teacher and literacy co-ordinator. I personally feel it has enriched their lives as they have amazing imagination and general knowledge. Most of that is due to the vast amount of books we read but some is definately due to Cbeebies.

I've always read masses of books to them,we are all book mad and craft mad too. The dtwins(boys) have just started school now and they are romping through, lapping up the books they bring home. 1 was pretty much reading before school(self taught)and the other is pretty much the same. They adore reading to me,their teacher and themselves. They all have excellent powers of concentration.

My dc are awake 12 hours a day. I'm sorry but no expert can tell me 2 hours max of quality tv in that time is going to harm them when they spend the vast majority of that day romping in the park,on the beach and moor,at pre-school,reading books,doing crafts and playing with their toys,friends etc.

So I personally think that article is scaremongering, not surprised to see Sigman's input, he is on a bit of a crusade. However I do think screen time as a whole is slightly worrying. We don't have computer games(Playstation and the like)and computer time is very limited. They will never have any screens in their bedrooms. This is due to to me feeling more concerned about the latter-very fast images,poor content,sitting so close to a screen and the anti-social nature of it.

I think ' experts' like with most things are going completely overboard. Yes if it's on all day, very poor content,is on top of a vast amount of computer game usage and a child does nothing else ever I can see that it could be detrimental but if used sensibly which lets face it most parents do then I just don't see the harm in it. My dc and their friends are living proof of that.

Iklboo · 23/09/2008 11:04

DS watches some tv but also likes to spend a lot of time playing with his toys or hearing stories. Although when he plays now his toys have faux american accents

girlsallaround · 23/09/2008 11:24

i actually recently read an article that said tv has nothing whatsoever to do with adhd. let me see if i can find the link

i try to get my dds to do a balanced amount of everything. the only thing that makes them more or less pleasant to parent is their amount of sugar intake (which also affects their sleep and therefore their mood)

when that is regulated i really dont have a problem getting them to stop watching tv, or do anything for that matter

girlsallaround · 23/09/2008 11:27

pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/120/5/986

it says the type of tv matters. if you watch baby tv or the einstein dvds with your dc that is one thing

if you 6 year old is watching Jetix that is another....

JaneLumley · 23/09/2008 11:46

Like many I started as a liberal and have ended up v. authoritarian. DS watched tv a lot when small and was cranky cranky cranky after, so he was weaned off it and dd has never seen so much. The absolute upper limit for both is an hour of screen time a day AFTER all homework is done. But when I said all this to Best Friend, she said I was making the children vulnerable to the modern world by not exposing them more. Her son, well and truly exposed, is now having problems with GCSEs, though he's v. bright.

RaggedRobin · 23/09/2008 14:23

really trying to reduce the amount my ds watches. in the past he watched far too much. it wasn't that we didn't fill the day with activities, but he was a VERY early riser between the ages of 1 and 2 and the mornings were when he watched a lot, often dvds because he was up before cebeebies started.

i am gutted and VERY guilty that his language is delayed, and feel strongly that his turntaking abilities and his interest in communicating rather than using repetitive phrases improve as he watches less tv.

only realised that his language was delayed at around the time our new baby arrived, otherwise tv would have been put away altogether. as it is, i tend to use it to hold his attention while i put baby down for naps/sleep.

still considering putting it away altogether though. wouldn't be any loss to me as, ironically, i never watch the thing (how could i have time, when i'm so busy mumsnetting?!)

EachPeachPearMum · 23/09/2008 14:37

raggedrobin - you know- he would likely have had that delay without the television watching, surely?

MsCommonSense · 23/09/2008 15:42

My Husband being Swedish is totally against out ds watching any TV. There is a whole catalogue of Swedish research on the possible detrimental affects of television to the development of very young children. Hence we totally agree with not allowing children to watch Television until they are at least a certain age to understand the basics of life. This to me means 3-4 of age when their brains are more developed and they can understand more. This is just my personal prefernce.

I haven't read this article as it's so long but I will when I have time as it seems interesting.

a few more interesting articles:

www.childcareaware.org/en/subscriptions/dailyparent/volume.php?id=1

ww w.cinews.ie/article.php?artid=5141

www.slate.com/id/2151538/

nooka · 23/09/2008 17:06

There is no way I could have coped without the Very Hungry Caterpillar when my two were tiny, it was the only thing that calmed up all down when things got frenetic. I feel no guilt about this, and do not attribute my son's interesting characteristics to over watching of the box. They are quite clearly inherited, as older members of the family have similar stories about their sons at similar ages. None of whom watched TV at all. I suspect there are a lot of confounding factors going on here.

lingle · 23/09/2008 18:00

for me it's a more indirect link.

DS2 looked forward to tv so much that he wasn't interested in anything else inside the house, including talking. He would still have had some language delay, of course BUT
the two-word phrases he's now learning have all arisen in relation to requests for food around the dinner table. When I used to let him eat dinner in front of the tv there was no quiet moment for him to learn to focus his mind to make the breakthrough to saying "more+pasta" or "pasta gone".
So it's the loss of opportunities to motivate his speech that I feel guilty about. . Also, his tendency to repeat phrases from recorded media can only have been made stronger by tv
having said this, his concentration is still good, and it hasn't affected his turntaking skills which are great.

NotAnOtter · 23/09/2008 20:43

lingle i admire your honesty

I too think people including myself HUGELY underestimate the amoutn of time their dcs spend in front of 'a screen'

If your child gets up early on a weekend they can have tucked down 2-3 hours of screen time before an adult rises

as the child gets older computers become more and more a part of life - add this to tv veiwing and you can very quickly be in double figures

I also feel and i may be wrong - that it is boys who are the most screen orientated and boys whose personalities become more addicted to screening

I remember as a pre schooler approaching my house with my son aged 3 or 4 after taking his siblings to school. I remember himstart begging for tv at the top of the street and the feeling of dread that i had. he WANTED the tv so badly that he would be vile if he did not get it. One video was not enough he would want more. Coming off the screen would make him crankier still...

he literally became pre occupied with it

He is now 11 and barely watches and tv ( he only watches dvds) most nights none but a few hours at weekends
It has been a long haul but worth it.

He is followed by 3 more brothers who barely watch any tv ( by which i mean dvds) What they do watch is DVDs chosen by us - not fast zapping flashing american cartoons)

I do feel very strongly about this as i feel that MY parenting skills started to fail with ds2. I was controlled by him and he in turn was controlled by the tv

NotAnOtter · 23/09/2008 20:43

lingle i admire your honesty

I too think people including myself HUGELY underestimate the amoutn of time their dcs spend in front of 'a screen'

If your child gets up early on a weekend they can have tucked down 2-3 hours of screen time before an adult rises

as the child gets older computers become more and more a part of life - add this to tv veiwing and you can very quickly be in double figures

I also feel and i may be wrong - that it is boys who are the most screen orientated and boys whose personalities become more addicted to screening

I remember as a pre schooler approaching my house with my son aged 3 or 4 after taking his siblings to school. I remember himstart begging for tv at the top of the street and the feeling of dread that i had. he WANTED the tv so badly that he would be vile if he did not get it. One video was not enough he would want more. Coming off the screen would make him crankier still...

he literally became pre occupied with it

He is now 11 and barely watches and tv ( he only watches dvds) most nights none but a few hours at weekends
It has been a long haul but worth it.

He is followed by 3 more brothers who barely watch any tv ( by which i mean dvds) What they do watch is DVDs chosen by us - not fast zapping flashing american cartoons)

I do feel very strongly about this as i feel that MY parenting skills started to fail with ds2. I was controlled by him and he in turn was controlled by the tv

BEAUTlFUL · 23/09/2008 21:53

Oh God. my Ds1 watched loads of telly when he was young, and then went through a nightmare period of bad/day-dreamy behaviour. I bet they're related.

I never watch any - would rather MN or listen to the radio, or read a book - and would love to get rid of it (mainly so I'm not tempted to turn it on to keep DS1 occupied for a while). DH would take some major persuading, but he is going away soon, so the TV might have an "accident" while he's gone.

I do believe the research, tbh. I think it's inconvenient, but probably true. DS1 is a different child when he hasn't watched any for a while.

What worries me is parents who let their kids fall asleep with a TV on in their room. eek. That is just a way of avoiding doing any kind of solid-but-demanding bedtime routine of stories, etc.

RaggedRobin · 23/09/2008 22:35

eachpeachpearmum - oh yes, i didn't mean to sound as though i felt tv caused his language delay, just that i can definitely see improvements when he watches less.

i feel guilty when i think about all the wasted opportunities (though to be honest, when he was waking very early, i'm not sure i'd have been coherent enough to model any kind of communication!

SaintRiven · 24/09/2008 08:37

I don't believe the research (having been a clinical psychologist once) and have never limited TV. Despite no limits the kids are very choosy about what they watch and 3 of them have got to teenage years and all have friends and a wide range of interests.
I wish dd could watch TV and she is paralysed from the neck down but she's registered blind and is unable too. TV would provide her with entertainment and me a break. She's 4.

lingle · 24/09/2008 08:50

"I remember him start begging for tv at the top of the street and the feeling of dread that i had. he WANTED the tv so badly that he would be vile if he did not get it"

Yep; been there too,I used to spin out a 15 minutes journey home into 2 hours and spent a fortune in cafes just to avoid the TV.

I'm frankly way too scared to read the research and just hope it hasn't damaged his life chances.

SaintRiven · 24/09/2008 08:54

I doubt TV has damaged his life chances. TV is fun and interesting and enjoyable, not some evil mosnter sucking children's brains out. And if you limit it or ban it, it becomes more attractive.

WowOoo · 24/09/2008 08:55

That link and this thread so interesting. I come home and TV is on/ radio blaring in other room/ lights everywhere and just want to scream NOOOO!

Then, peace is restored and we can actually all say hello to each other. (until someone switches TV on again...)

SaintRiven · 24/09/2008 08:58

article that talks about a study that shows no effects of TV.
here

SaintRiven · 24/09/2008 09:00

The 17 yo with a TV in their bedrooms with a 'poorer' performance. Umm, maybe they are staying up later and watching and it and are therefore tired.
I'd like to see a proper study measureing brain responses etc with decent statistics.

hettie · 24/09/2008 10:36

there have been plenty of "proper" studies- it's a throny issue ime opinion. We never like hearing something we don't want to, so there will be plenty of naysayers (bit like global warming). But the majority of child development experts will tell you that too much tv/computer games (especialy at a young age eg under 5) is correlated with lots of less desirable developmental outcomes- sorry but it's true. Like any area there is good and bad research but ime there has been enough good research to warrant assuming that in addition it is 'not a good thing'. In additon to the correlational studies (which of course don't prove cause and effect) there has also been some good process orientated research which looks at what actualy happens when young children watch tv- again not stuff that you would want to be encouraging

CountessDracula · 24/09/2008 10:41

I am not surprised if this is true
I mean how can 3 or 4 hours a day stuck staring at a screen be good for a child?

But then I am lucky, I practically have to beg dd to watch tv (so I can have a break!)

Other than saturday mornings - we have trained her to watch so we can have a lie in!

Is it not just possible to have a rule that there is no tv in the week (or maybe half an hour a couple of times a week)

Tortington · 24/09/2008 10:41

television is like mind control - of course i never liked hearing that when i had one and would vehemently poo poo the anti tlevisionites.

its easy to see without one that my older kids - simply go out more - or invite friends round more.

my son plays his guitar more.

dya remember Why Don't You in the 80's?

why dont you, why dont you, whyyyyyyyy do you - go switch of the television set and go do something less boring instead.

sittin at home watchin tv turn it off no good to me

whyyyyyyyyyy dont you
whyyyyyyyyyy dont you

programme about crafts ofcourse - bit like art attack without the suicide/muder twist