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Training 3 year old out of night time nappies

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ToughDaddy · 06/08/2008 07:53

Wondered what the views are on weaning DC3 out of nappies at night time: In particular, are you meant to wake DC up at intervals for a night time wee? Any useful tips?

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Kewcumber · 06/08/2008 10:54

I won't shoot you down for it gladders - was just pointing out that until tehy have enough ADH its pointless. If you insits on "lifting" urologists advice is to life at a different time every night so you don't "train" a child to wee at a specific time (asleep or awake). Advice I have seen is to not bother lifting until they still aren't dry by the time they are 5. What do you do if they don't start having a ADH release until they are 5 and you start lifting them at 3? Are you really going to spend the next 2 years (possibly even more as boys tend to be about 2 yrs behind girls on controlling night time wee) lifting them every night. If you are fine.

Potty in the room seems perfectly normal.

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ToughDaddy · 06/08/2008 11:04

Potty in the room. Forgot about that. Didn't do that for older DCs. Even now these guys just call/come to us/go straight to bathroom; whatever they choose. It is comforting/reassuring to them to be able to do so.

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Kewcumber · 06/08/2008 11:17

ah but I have a wee twt who struggles to get up onto the toilet on his own and would no doubt completely miss it at night in the dark!

CoteDAzur · 06/08/2008 11:25

How about potty in bathroom?

DC sleeping next to a smelly potty is just not good, imho.

CoteDAzur · 06/08/2008 11:30

re not secreting antidiuretic hormone at 5 yrs of age - we all know that this is a small minority, right?

It seems strange to act from the beginning of potty training as if OP's DD is in this minority. Most probably, she won't be.

Kewcumber · 06/08/2008 11:35

I would call 15-20% a significant minority and the figure is higher for boys. I wasn't commenting on whether he was in that population or not, just that it would be pretty obvious pretty quickly if he couldn't consistently go all night wihtout a wee then the its likely that all the trianing in the world won't change that until ADH kicked in.

I commented on it because no-one explained what ADH did and what ages it kicked in (most commonly 2.5 to 5, 7 for boys). Hopefully it was useful information.

Kewcumber · 06/08/2008 11:35

I thought OP has a DS?

Neeerly3 · 06/08/2008 11:41

i think my situation proves the "they will do it when they are ready" point. I have twin boys, both dry in the day about the same time - 2.5yo I think....they are now 3.5 and one is dry at night and one isn't....I have dealt with 'training' exactly the same for both - one was ready one wasn't. We are leaving the wet one in pull ups until he is dry simple as....

LittleB · 06/08/2008 12:36

Can I crash this thread? I have a dd 3.3 who keeps asking me if she can go without nappies at night - she's been potty trained for wees for over a year and has recently stopped using pull ups for poos so she is keen to stop using nappies. I've told her she needs to have a dry nappy in the morning for a few days first but she hasn't done this. I think she does her biggest wee on waking as her nappy is normally very warm in the morning and its usually pretty empty when I check her at night. She did go for about a week with dry nappies at night about 8mths ago, but I didn't want to take the nappies off until I'd got the waterproof mattress covers and by the time they'd come through she started weeing again (that was a period when we stopped her bedtime milk) I've now stopped bedtime water too! Shall I just go for it? How will I know if shes not ready? Did most of you just have a couple of wet mornings and they were dry? Shall I give it a week and if always wet give up and wait until she's older?

Neeerly3 · 06/08/2008 12:44

littleB, I try every few months with my 'wet' twin just in case its the early morning wee he's being lazy about...but he wee's about 1am when he has no pull up on, so i know he's just not ready and his body is not waking him up when he has a full bladder.

A few friends have said though that their LO's were wet in nappies right up until they went without, no dry mornings, but were just 'ready' so once nappies off they were dry - so it's worth a go, if you have waterproof sheeting as back up and plenty of spare pyjamas and sheets!

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ToughDaddy · 06/08/2008 15:48

yes, i have the equipment and currently the time to do it so i was trying to cash in on his enthusiasm and the run of three dry nights that he had.

Has anyone done any reserach on the factors that trigger ADH? I am being devil's advocate, but who is to say that motivation and training doesn't play a part in the hormone production? I am ignorant on the subject but just asking questions. Someone once told me that there is a piece of equipment used for late wetters which is an alarm that goes off as soon as he starts to wee. Does this suggest that there is some sort of "conditioned reflex" that plays a part?

I will not persist if he starts wetting the bed every night though.

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Neeerly3 · 07/08/2008 11:34

am here with matchsticks after being woken by DT1 (the wet pull up wearing one) at 5am, because his pull up had leaked.....so even though we haven't taken the plunge yet, we still being woken up!

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ToughDaddy · 07/08/2008 20:05

first two nights with DS3.5 without nappy have been dry so looking good. He is dead keen to make it work so hoping that we crack this in the summer months.

The tip from CoteAzur re: sheet then plastic sheet then sheet then plastic sheet is great and we are employing it to make night change easy and quick

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CoteDAzur · 07/08/2008 20:56

Congratulations

mumeeee · 07/08/2008 21:32

You have to wait until he is ready, That means waiting until he has had about a week of dry nappies.

barnsleybelle · 07/08/2008 21:47

Not read the whole thread so sorry if repeating others.

My ds was and is a very deep sleeper and no matter what i did (ie lifting out) he was always soaking. I left him in pull ups til HE was ready.

He's 6 now and only 3 months ago said he didn't want to wear pull ups anymore... although they were still wet every morning. He's been dry ever since!!! Ok.. so it took til he was 6, but i just waited til he was ready and that's worked.

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ToughDaddy · 07/08/2008 22:47

thanks CoteDAzur but it is very early days; we are not yet home and dry. The interesting thing is that he is now being better during the day. He had/has a tendency to leak if he is enjoying his play etc

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ToughDaddy · 07/08/2008 22:51

3.5 is early but DS had 3 successive dry nights and wants to prove himself so I am giving him a shot but will not force it.

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CoteDAzur · 08/08/2008 09:13

It's looking good. Don't scrap it all if he has an accident here and there. Accidents are also part of the learning curve. If he has had 3 consecutive dry nights, that means he is capable of being dry at night.

CoteDAzur · 08/08/2008 09:21

DD was 2.8 when she was dry in the day. I saw several dry nappies in the morning and took off nighttime nappy as well. She had several accidents but was dry at night within two weeks.

We all reflect our own experience on people asking for advice on MN. Because we had an easy time of solving the night time nappy issue, I'm telling you to give it a go. Numbers say you will most likely fall closer to my experience than the "nighttime nappy until age 6" group.

Similarly, I had a terrible time after huge episiotomy with DD and now whoever says they will soon give birth, on MN or RL, I say "Avoid episiotomy like the plague, and in fact, don't give birth at all if you can get a c-section". Still, numbers say most women will be fine after birth and even after episiotomies. So I do understand why some MNers here are telling you to wait, but don't be discouraged.

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ToughDaddy · 08/08/2008 10:17

thanks. daily update: another dry night- he got up around 8:00hrs when he needed a wee. SO haven't tested the efficiency of your backup sheet system. He is a local hero in the house right now and loving it. I really wonder whether motivation plays a part but I should extrapolate based on a sample on 1.

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SazzyMCH · 08/08/2008 19:56

Hi, just joined site after my friend saw this thread.

My 3.4 yr old decided on Tues he didn't want to wear pull-ups anymore and got very updet about it so I decided to give it a go. Not going great so far! Wet mornings - and this is after lifting him as well. I knew it would be tough because being wet has never bothered him. I don't want to make him go back into a pull-up because he's upset about them but I don't want a wet bed either!!!

I am adopting the layered bed approach tho

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ToughDaddy · 08/08/2008 20:59

Yes CoteDAzur is inspiring a generation of parents with the "layered bed". She/He will be invited on morning TV to talk about it soon.

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SazzyMCH · 09/08/2008 07:19

We're giving up - he was in bed less than 2 hours last night and wet the bed. Was lifted twice and still was wet this morning.

I've had a chat with him over breakfast and he doesn't seem upset about the idea of a pull-up so there we go.

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ToughDaddy · 09/08/2008 07:37

Good idea Sazzy. What's the hurry. E|lder boy didn't was occasionally wetting at 6.

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