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Is this "normal " behaviour for a four year old?

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jasper · 30/01/2005 02:44

My dh is worried about our dd aged four. He has concluded she is "unteachable".

SHe reached all developmental milestones and was always very physically advanced and could talk , count, recognise letters early etc BUT...

Where it comes to applying the normal house rules governing the kids ' behaviour (big brother , 5, wee brother 2) she seems to be completely devoid of understanding.

If say she asks for a jigsaw and a pile of toys are strewn over the carpet and we say "put away the other toys and I will get your jigsaw " she will look at us with a look of total incomprehension and say "but I don't WANT to put away my toys". she seems to genuinely not understand the concept of "if...then..." as opposed to her just being deliberately naughty ( which of course she is sometimes too). If she sets her mind to do or not do something she is absolutely immovable.SHe assumes an attitude as if we are total idiots for making the request.

That sounds trivial but there are other things. Today she was building a tower of cushions that kept falling down. She was frustrated so picked uher big brother HARD across the head. DH immediately picked her up and put her in the "isolation "room and she screamed hysterically throughout as if she had been the victim of some terrible miscarriage of justice.

Most of the time she is sweet and adorable but about 5% of the time it is as if a switch has been flicked in her brain and she is completely MENTAL.SHe goes into a screaming trance. Her eyes glaze over and her face goes white. She appears semi-conscious.
I hope the word "mental"does not offend - I am in Scotland and there is no better word to describe her.

DO you think this is normal behaviour or should we be worried? I am not particularly worried but DH is convinced there is something the matter with her brain and has asked me to ask my mumsnet pals.

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jasper · 30/01/2005 22:30

Christie thank ou for our kind words and inspiration. Only 12 years to go till she is 16!

Girlfromipanema thank you for your insight into life with one demanding child.

I can see how having more than one is definitely in some ways easier but it does rule out the "ignore bad behaviour" method if the behaviour in question is thumping a sibling!

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SofiaAmes · 30/01/2005 23:41

jasper, my mother also tells me that my dd is worse than I was. I think she's just beginning to forget the bad things and put rosey glasses on everything.
I too have the problem of a dh who just doesn't get our dd. Often his way of handling her is the absolute opposite of what I would recommend. It's particularly funny because she is his 5th child (my 2nd) and he is known for being really good with children, particularly young ones. For example, DD is only 2 but insists on dressing and undressing herself. She can more or less do it on her own, but needs help here and there. If she is trying to get dressed and gets stuck, she'll screech....dh will yell at her for screeching and insist on finishing the dressing for her, which only makes her screech more. I would help her do the bit she's having trouble with and let her then continue on her own until she asks for help again. I figure that at some point soon she will learn to ask for help calmly instead of screeching. Ds who is 4 just doesn't even try to dress himself (although he's perfectly capable of it), as it's easier to let us help him.
By the way, going back to your example of the toys and the jigsaw. Have you tried explaining to her why she needs to put away the toys. I find that I (and my dd) hate to blindly follow orders if I don't understand the reasoning behind them. Maybe your dd just needs a little more background to the rules and orders that you give her...(and I don't mean namby pamby reasoning).
Isolation room is a good idea, but I've found that the only effective part about it for my dd is that it means I don't have to hear her screeching...it doesn't actually seem to work as a deterrent for her.

Mummyloves · 30/01/2005 23:49

With regards to the "If.... then...", thing, I think your DD is completely normal. Did you see the experiment done on "Child of our Times" in the last series when the children, then aged 4, were put in a room with a load of sweets? They were told that, they could have one sweet right now, or, "IF they waited 3 minutes and didn't touch the sweets, THEN they could have 3 sweets". Guess what? Only 1 child I think resisted. They just don't generally have that rationality at that age. Don't be too distressed....!!!! Deep breaths!

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jasper · 31/01/2005 21:39

mummyloves I suppose I am thrown by the fact that both my other kids understood the if...when concept even before they could talk.

Sofia very interesting to hear about our dhs way of handling your daughter- sounds just like my dh.

As I said before the getting dressed thing is only an issue if we have to meet a deadline. I am quite happy for her to take all morning to get dressed at the weekends when we don't have to go anywhere.

thank you all for reassuring me she is normal

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jasper · 31/01/2005 21:39

mummyloves I suppose I am thrown by the fact that both my other kids understood the if...when concept even before they could talk.

Sofia very interesting to hear about our dhs way of handling your daughter- sounds just like my dh.

As I said before the getting dressed thing is only an issue if we have to meet a deadline. I am quite happy for her to take all morning to get dressed at the weekends when we don't have to go anywhere.

thank you all for reassuring me she is normal

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jasper · 31/01/2005 21:42

Forgot to mention one thing.
She has two holes in her heart and will get surgery to repair them in the spring.

Anyone know if this can have a bearing on behaviour? She quite often says her head is sore.

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paolosgirl · 31/01/2005 21:48

DS has a heart condition too - we were told to expect him to tire faster than other kids his own age, and more noticeablly so as he gets older. I sometimes wonder if the lack of stamina has a bearing on his patience levels....or am I being completely daft?
Girl - sorry if I seemed as though I was doubting that single children can be just as difficult - I'm sure they can. It's just as another poster says - ds constantly fighting and thumping his sister is yet another thing to deal with, that obviously I wouldn't have if he was on his own.

jasper · 31/01/2005 21:56

paolosgirl that was the sort of thing I was meaning.

Most days I do not even remember about her heart so I don't think I treat her differently from the others on account of it

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paolosgirl · 31/01/2005 21:59

I don't think about it either....but wonder if I should? Ds's due a check-up soon, so might mention it. Have you ever spoken to your consultant about it?

jasper · 31/01/2005 22:26

not really.
I was so blase about her murmur I never went to any of her check ups! Then at the one last summer the consultand told dh she would definitely need surgery.

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