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DS 11 - help please

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Busydoingnothing1 · 10/12/2025 13:26

I’m looking for some advice on my 11 year old DS, who started secondary school in September. He is a clever boy, achieving greater depth in SATs in May this year, receives good reports at parents evenings, captain of his football team, liked by his friends etc.

For 70 - 80% of the time we have no problems with him at home, he is kind, caring and loving. However for the other 20% of the time his behaviour is a significant problem for the family (he has two older siblings at 16 and 18). Since he was around 5 he would have issues with controlling his anger and emotions, during which he would often resort to hair pulling, pinching and generally not listening. He would be told he would have a consequence whilst in the middle of tantrum but in that moment any threat of a consequence would not be bother him in the slightest. We have always followed through with consequences, such as no TV etc.

As he has got older this sort of behaviour has continued intermittently, in the last few years we have seen an improvement. The frequency of these tantrums and outbursts have reduced and the physical side of it greatly reduced.

That said, this behaviour does still surface and in the last week he has had three long lasting tantrums (2-3 hrs) during which he has little care or concern for any consequences he may receive or any damage or distress he causes.

Only last week when told “no” to something he’d asked for, he then went over to the window to start tapping and messing with the blinds in a way likely to cause damage. When asked to stop he proceeded to move on to the next thing, which is generally hitting/banging on something. Again told to stop so he made his way to the fridge to start messing with that. After being stopped from doing this be snatched a box of cereal from the cupboard and ran upstairs with it. When I asked him to bring it down, or be in more trouble, so he tipped out half the box and ran downstairs, put on his shoes and ran from the house. Everything he does seems aimed at getting a response from us.

He returned to the house after 5 mins and had to be physically taken upstairs by his dad, who has to sit outside his room to make sure he stayed there. Unless we do this he would continue to come downstairs and repeat this cycle of behaviour. Sometimes for 1 - 2 hours, constantly looking to do whatever he can that he knows you wouldn’t want him to.

As a consequence for the above we took away his phone/devices.

We had another similar incident last night whilst out for our usual evening dog walk. He asked to take a short cut. We told him that we couldn’t as the dog hadn’t had a big walk in the day. Up to that point he had been pleasant and chatty but in a heartbeat he resorted to being grumpy and stormed off in the opposite direction, towards home. We continued walking, shouted for him to catch up but he continued home.

When we got home he was again told his behaviour was unacceptable. As a consequence he was told he couldn’t watch TV and was told to go to his room. Again a flat out refusal to comply, so he had to be carried upstairs. This is literally the only way we can get him to go upstairs. We then had 2 hours of him jumping up and down on his floor to make noise, trying to get back downstairs, pushing his dad, shouting at his dad, saying he wants to be adopted.

When he is like this, we have tried talking to him, leaving him / giving him space, tell him off, mention consequences. Nothing ever bothers him enough to stop the behaviour until he either falls asleep or enough time passes for him to come out the other side.

Once he enters this mindset he will not back down, he is extremely defiant and in the moment doesn’t care about any consequences at all.

This past week has been the worst we have experienced for several months. The smallest of things can trigger him, with no rhyme or reason as to what will or won’t be the catalyst. One day something may trigger him, but the same thing could have happened the day before without problem.

We always try to speak to him the day after an outburst but he is always reluctant to do so, and would never mention it of his own accord. He struggles to see wrong in what he has done (it appears) with apologies being infrequent.

Once he does come out of it he returns back to being his usual happy self, being a model child, trying to be as close to us as possible, constantly at our side.

If we told anyone who knows him outside of the home how he can behave they would simply not believe us, as they all see him as being the perfect child.

We dont know what to do to manage these behaviour, we just feel at a loss. He can be worse after a busy week, when tired, but gets a good nights sleep. Any advice would be appreciated.

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SleafordSods · 11/12/2025 07:49

As I’m sure you’re aware tantrums tgat last for hours aren’t normal. In fact obe of the questions in the Ages & Stages that can be used for screening for ND in younger DC is “does your DC have tantrums that last for more than 15 minutes”. I also get that other people simply wouldn’t believe how he is at home, i would read up on ASD and “masking”.

For home, it sounds as though you’ve found out already that normal discipline techniques aren’t working. I recommend reading the book 10 days to a less defiant child and also reading up on PDA.

I would also do this simple progress checker on him to see if he needs any support with his communication.

And if he’s always had issues with self regulation what does he do, or what do you do eith him to help with regulation?

Busydoingnothing1 · 11/12/2025 08:38

SleafordSods · 11/12/2025 07:49

As I’m sure you’re aware tantrums tgat last for hours aren’t normal. In fact obe of the questions in the Ages & Stages that can be used for screening for ND in younger DC is “does your DC have tantrums that last for more than 15 minutes”. I also get that other people simply wouldn’t believe how he is at home, i would read up on ASD and “masking”.

For home, it sounds as though you’ve found out already that normal discipline techniques aren’t working. I recommend reading the book 10 days to a less defiant child and also reading up on PDA.

I would also do this simple progress checker on him to see if he needs any support with his communication.

And if he’s always had issues with self regulation what does he do, or what do you do eith him to help with regulation?

Edited

He doesn’t ever bring up what has happened after one of these meltdowns. If we try and talk to him about it he will not want to engage, when he was younger we made attempts to give alternatives - go and have a minute in you room, come and have a cuddle, tickles to make him realise laughing felt better then being angry and cross. These meltdowns have been less frequent as he’s got older, but are still as bad when they do happen and everything we may have previously spoken about or mention to help is ignored as when in the moment he doesn’t care.

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SleafordSods · 11/12/2025 09:11

Definitely do that progress checker with him then. My youngest has a diagnosis of AuDHD and she wouldn’t be able to express how she was feeling or talk about an event afterwards either. Has anyone ever mentioned the possibility of ND wirh you before?

Busydoingnothing1 · 11/12/2025 09:22

SleafordSods · 11/12/2025 09:11

Definitely do that progress checker with him then. My youngest has a diagnosis of AuDHD and she wouldn’t be able to express how she was feeling or talk about an event afterwards either. Has anyone ever mentioned the possibility of ND wirh you before?

No, he is stll wet at night, which he is on medication for. Had a few tics when younger. Is worried about how he is perceived - doesn’t like going to school with a new haircut, didn’t like having to take medicine after lunch in primary school…

These last 10 days or so, it has a feeling of walking on egg shells

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SleafordSods · 11/12/2025 10:06

I think the more you post the more it seems as though it’s worth getting hin some support in School, the behaviour at home could be because he’s masking at School and you’re seeing the fall out at home? A good start would be requesting an EHC needs assessment. He might also benefit from ND assessments. You could talk to the School Nurse Service, the School SENCO, your GP but don’t be put off, it really does sound as though he needs support.

Have a read of the book 10 days to a less defiant child too Flowers

EHC needs assessments

An EHC needs assessment is an assessment of a child or young person’s education, health and care needs

https://www.ipsea.org.uk/ehc-needs-assessments

FairKoala · 13/12/2025 07:32

I read your first thread.
If your DS is ND then you need to stop these punishments/consequences. They will have no effect on him. As you have found out.
You need to learn to parent without escalating everything.

Learn to ignore most of what he does. Stop hounding him.

As for your dh man handling him into his room. I ask Why?
The whole incident would have never occurred in most households. The parents would have just said they were doing the longer walk and he could go back home if he wanted

I do get the feeling that you come across as things are done your way and if he doesn’t comply then you issue a consequence to the “bad behaviour” Even though most of what he does before the consequence has been issued is just normal everyday stuff

Of he doesn’t want to do something you want him to do. Even if it serves no purpose you have to punish him.

I think you need to ask yourself why you are doing the same things over and over and are expecting a different outcome

Busydoingnothing1 · 13/12/2025 08:45

FairKoala · 13/12/2025 07:32

I read your first thread.
If your DS is ND then you need to stop these punishments/consequences. They will have no effect on him. As you have found out.
You need to learn to parent without escalating everything.

Learn to ignore most of what he does. Stop hounding him.

As for your dh man handling him into his room. I ask Why?
The whole incident would have never occurred in most households. The parents would have just said they were doing the longer walk and he could go back home if he wanted

I do get the feeling that you come across as things are done your way and if he doesn’t comply then you issue a consequence to the “bad behaviour” Even though most of what he does before the consequence has been issued is just normal everyday stuff

Of he doesn’t want to do something you want him to do. Even if it serves no purpose you have to punish him.

I think you need to ask yourself why you are doing the same things over and over and are expecting a different outcome

Edited

I’m not sure taking cereal upstairs and tipping it out is everyday stuff other parents would just ignore.

There are times when we can’t ignore things, for example on a school night, when he may have heard something he doesn’t like and will then dig his heals in and say he isn’t going up to get ready for bath/bed. What then? He is given understanding, offers of help, try to make a game and fun out of it. But he will not back down mostly.

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