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Help - nearly 4 year old daily tantrums

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ThisSillyFawn · 02/08/2025 09:02

At nursery pickup earlier this week, DD went nuclear, exorcist level meltdown on DH. Screaming, throwing herself on the ground, spitting, thrashing, kicking etc. all because she wanted me to pick her up instead of him. He tried all the usual techniques, speaking calmly, getting down on her level, validating her feelings, changing the subject/distracting, gently restraining her etc. and nothing helped to calm her. So many embarrassing side eyes from teachers and parents, and then passerby outside of the school seemed to question if DH was harming her as she was carrying on so much. It was deeply upsetting for all of us.

She has had that level of meltdown before, but never in public. We talked about it later once she was home and in a better mood, told her it’s ok to have big feelings like X, Y, Z and we always love her, etc. but it is not ok to shout and hit etc. Also tried to model what we could do next time. But we always do this and she knows what to say back to us…. But then it just happens again.

I know there’s no reasoning with her when she’s that far gone but we also get the run of the mill tantrums multiple times a day and I’m just so bloody exhausted. DH excuses it as normal for her age, as do her teachers, but I think I’m very triggered because I grew up with a sibling with BPD and felt like I was constantly walking on eggshells, never knowing what was going to set them off. I struggled with the decision to have children given the history of mental illlness (BPD, anxiety, depression) in my family and now I feel utterly distraught and probably slightly unfairly projecting on DD that she is going to have the same struggles. I’m getting frustrated that nothing seems to be improving with her regulation or listening or self calming methods.

Here are some other ones from the last couple days: brought a surprise lovey from home to pick her up, first day she was delighted, second day ‘but I don’t WANT this toy I wanted you to bring THAT toy!’; same with snack right as we get in the car, ‘I didn’t want this one I wanted a different one!’ This morning it was that she wanted to take her pull-up off downstairs rather than upstairs. Wanted fish sticks instead of cereal for breakfast. Wanted the milk cold instead of warm. Wanted to go to her friend’s house today instead of tomorrow. Wanted an ice lolly from the further shop not the closer shop. Wanted her drawing on that side of the board not the other. Wanted mommy not daddy and vice versa. And on and on… all of these resulting in real upset bratty shouting stomping crying behaviour.

Everything is a power struggle. I have been so patient and loving but I’m starting to lose it. I try to let her have decisions everywhere she can, but it sometimes backfires and just leads to more struggles (give her the choice between A and B but she then will scream for C). She can be so lovely and cheeky and clever but it feels like that’s becoming less and less frequent in comparison to this behaviour.

I don’t even know what I’m looking for by writing this… getting it off my chest I suppose and hoping that DH is right that maybe this is all just normal kid behaviour? I’m just worried she is either becoming an absolutely entitled brat or has something more sinister going on and I feel like we are failing her as parents.

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ThisSillyFawn · 02/08/2025 11:01

Anyone? Please??

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ThisSillyFawn · 02/08/2025 11:49

One more sad, desperate, bump?

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Thejugglestruggle · 02/08/2025 13:31

Oh OP, I'm so sorry you're going through a tough time. Sending hugs.
First bit of advice (it's hard), don't pay any attention to other people's stares and side eyes. If they're lucky enough to have never experienced a tantrum like this with their kids, then they just won't get it.
Is your DD about to start school? Could this be a reaction to change? Does she tell you what's bothering her when she's calmed down?
My DS is just 4 and has started hitting other children and being rude to adults and children out of nowhere. I am really hoping this is just a reaction to change and that after the first half term of school things will calm down.
It's so stressful though and in the moment, you can feel so helpless. It sounds like you're doing all the right things and striking the balance of being firm about expectations but keeping calm and kind too.
It's great you recognise you might be projecting your own childhood trauma on her (quite understandably!) Just remember we are all different and this is most likely a very challenging phase, but not connected to your family's mental health history. That is what I'm hoping too!

ThisSillyFawn · 02/08/2025 15:48

@Thejugglestruggle (love your username) thanks for the kind reply. No major changes I can think of. Hoping it’s just a phase for you too xx

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Purple89 · 02/08/2025 15:59

Sending love and support, you sound like wonderful parents doing all the right things. My DD is 2yr 9 months and doing similar behaviour at the moment. I have just listened to a Janet Lansbury podcast that actually says talking to them when they're that disregulated doesn't help and can actually make it worse, so keep language minimal except to acknowledge what they're feeling and basically just let is pass staying nearby in case they want a hug. Doesn't help with the embarrassing side of it though and much harder to do that in public.

Have you listened to any of her podcasts? I must admit the message seems to be acceptance rather than doing anything to stop them, she seems to say you can't really.

Would you say this is a new behaviour or has she been like this since the terrible 2s?

Xx

ThisSillyFawn · 02/08/2025 16:49

@Purple89 no I’d say that she still had tantrums at 2 but they were less severe in length and intensity. I also expect more of her now as she’s smart enough to know when she’s misbehaving or not listening.

thanks for the podcast recommendation, I will look it up!

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