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Anyone got advice on whether to start using a dummy please?

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julesmb · 12/05/2008 09:51

Hello all! I am just after a bit of advice - my first dd is now 10 weeks old and I am wondering whether to give her a dummy for some peace and quiet or if having stuck it out this far its better to continue without? I have just put one in her mouth out of sheer frustration and hate the way it looks (the last thing to worry about I know) and am concerned about possible speech impediments?? But she keeps ramming her fists in her mouth anyway so think she would turn out to be a thumb sucker if she doesnt get used to a dummy.
What do you think with the benefit of hindsight?!
Any advice very gratefully received - she's not a very difficult baby but am having to walk her around to get her to sleep a lot of the time at present - think maybe a pacifier might work instead of this?
Thanks very much x

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specialmagiclady · 12/05/2008 22:02

DS1 had a dummy - until last week, yay, well done him! It definitely helped. DS2 has a muslin which he chose at about 10 weeks.

I really love them having a comforter that gives a strong "sleep" signal.

julesmb · 14/05/2008 11:53

Thanks so much everybody - haven't had a chance to login for a while and overwhelmed with all the help and advice!
Will take all points on board - am exclusively breastfeeding and hadnt heard its not good to use dummies in this instance! Its very strange - sometimes I know she's ready for a nap and yet if i put her in her basket she screams - and yet right now she's fast asleep on her changing mat for the second day in a row! Was going to wake her but figured she knows when she needs to sleep? I'm trying not to let her sleep over 5 hours in the day as she's still waking at 10 - 2 - 4 and 7 am for feeds at 10 weeks, and all i seem to hear is 'my baby slept through from six weeks'. Very difficult not to think its your fault...

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asteamedpoater · 14/05/2008 17:01

Hi, julesmb,

Don't listen to the mums who tell you their babies slept through at 6 weeks - they're just lucky, not the norm!!!

TinkerbellesMum · 14/05/2008 20:43

"My advice though is don't use it EVERY night or they will become dependent on it and if they spit it out don't shove it back in"

That's not actually a good idea. As I said before the advice FSIDS is giving is that dummies prevent SIDS, but when you read it, it actually says that dummy suckers are at higher risk of SIDS when they don't have their dummy in all night.

TinkerbellesMum · 14/05/2008 20:50

jules, she was in constant contact with you for nine months, it's understandable she won't like being seperated from you. She's also at an age where she doesn't know you still exist and are only in the next room when you leave her, so she doesn't know you are coming back.

Don't restrict her naptimes at this stage, those night feeds are really important to you both and you can harm your supply by not feeding in the night. Keep her in bed with you and you won't have to wake when you feed her.

I never understand people who complain about babies waking at night because Tink never really did, well I think so. But she was in with me and I never had to wake up. TBH most of the sleepless nights we had were at the begining and our own making because we were so stressed about her wanting to sleep on her front and would try to take it in turns to stay awake - paediatrition laughed at us, he said let her sleep how she wants.

Pheebe · 14/05/2008 21:08

"it actually says that dummy suckers are at higher risk of SIDS when they don't have their dummy in all night"

Thats quite a statement! Previously you say that this is what you understood by "reading between the lines". Perhaps you'd like to post the actual published text that supports you making such a controversial statement...

wonderstuff · 14/05/2008 21:16

DD had a dummy from 4 weeks, she was wanting to feed every hour and I was exhaused, she was exclusivly bf and weighs in above 75th percentile, so no probs there, at 5 months she decided she didn't want it any more, I'm gutted tbh, it was great at helping her sleep, now having probs getting her to sleep!

TinkerbellesMum · 14/05/2008 21:52

Will do when I get home, this isn't a good computer I'm on for researching and I have links at home. I did a google search and came up with a lot of links about it. I seem to remember UNICEF UK has something to say on the matter too.

IIRC that bit of the study (that the dummy needs to be in to protect the baby) isn't "between the lines" which is why I didn't say it was.

Pheebe · 15/05/2008 08:14

Thanks Tinks, that would be great

nellyraggbagg · 15/05/2008 08:28

I think a thumbsucker is a thumbsucker whatever you do! My DS (6) was very sucky, so we gave him a dummy very early on (and I swore my children would never have dummies!!) - he loved it, but when he discovered his thumb at 3-4 months (v sweet - he did a lot of aimless stabbing with his thumb until he finally worked out how to get it into his mouth), he lost all interest in the dummy. He also had (and still has) a cuddle-blanket to hold while he sucked his thumb - again, this came entirely from him (it would never have occurred to me to try to give him a cuddle-blanket). He still sucks his thumb if he's really, really tired (often at bedtime story time), and when he goes to sleep, but doesn't suck otherwise.

After our experience with DS, we tried to introduce DD (now 4) to a dummy, her thumb, and a cuddle blanket - and she had no interest whatsoever in any of them!!!!

Having seen others' experiences with dummies, it's probably best to get rid of them before the child becomes aware of what you're doing (ditto bottles, which we stopped by a year), or you'll solve a short-term problem only by setting up a longer-term one. But it sounds possible that your DD will decide for you if she's trying to discover her thumb already!!

julesmb · 15/05/2008 10:49

Yep - it was quite hilarious actually - she discovered her fists last week and spent the whole day getting really annoyed that she couldn't fit them into her mouth...
I'm really lucky generally, she is a very smily baby for long periods and I figure she'll sleep when she's tired! Not going to bust a gut trying to get her into a routine when she's so tiny, just trying to ease us into a pattern gently.
Interested in the white noise teddies though - about to google that now...

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TinkerbellesMum · 17/05/2008 13:34

UNICEF UK:

"Firstly, we must look at other research (2) into dummies and SIDS. This tends to show that babies who used a dummy during their last sleep were less likely to die, but that routine dummy use is not protective. This may indicate that infants are at greater risk of SIDS if they routinely use a dummy but have not been given their dummy on a particular night.

"Secondly, the potential risks of dummy use need to considered. These include:

  • interference with good establishment of breastfeeding in the early weeks
  • increased risk of otitis media infection
  • increased dental malocclusion
  • risk of accidents such as obstruction of the airway

"Thirdly, we need to ensure that the advice being proposed is realistic. If dummy use is really protective against SIDS but only if used every night, parents must be informed of this. The possibility that missing a night will increase risk among routine dummy users creates confusion and concern. We must be secure that parents will never forget to give the dummy once they have started to use it.

"Finally, since we do not know the mechanism by which dummy use may protect babies, other sources of sucking comfort during the night also need to be investigated. It is possible that thumb sucking is protective, and a baby who routinely sucks his thumb is not dependant on his parents to remember to give it to him. Some studies have also suggested that breastfeeding may be protective against SIDS. While this also needs further investigation, the access a bed sharing baby has to his mother's breast during the night may offer another mechanism for protection."

From BabyCentre:

"Dummies and sudden infant death (SIDS)

"There is growing evidence that using a dummy may play a part in protecting babies against cot death. Initially, a large case control study of cot death, funded by the UK Department of Health, reported in 1999 that dummy use was a factor in sudden infant death. The risk was for babies who usually had a dummy but who did not have a dummy for their last sleep. However, this risk factor was no longer significant once other larger risk factors were taken into account.

"More recently, a report published in the British Medical Journal in December 2005 suggested that dummy use actually protects against SIDS. The study, carried out in California, looked at the use of dummies in 185 babies who were victims of SIDS and a control group of 312 other babies. The use of a dummy was associated with a reduction of the risk of SIDS, especially when there were other known risk factors such as sleeping on the tummy or side, sleeping on soft bedding or sleeping with a mother who smoked. The study also showed that thumb sucking appeared to have a protective influence.

"The results of this study do not mean that all babies should routinely be given dummies. The authors of this study say that their findings add support for a protective effect of dummies but there is no "proof" yet for a cause and effect relationship. The authors state that, "These preliminary findings need confirmation." "

From the BMJ:

"Inaccurate reporting or exaggeration of research findings could cause a lot of confusion for practitioners and consequently for parents under their care. The conclusion made from this study is too strong, the authors have admitted limitations of this study and also acknowledged the fact that this simple association may not indicate a causal effect. Yet, in their (abstract) conclusion, they have stated that dummies reduce the risk of SIDS. The conclusion should be modified to reflect this lack of certainty and to reflect observed association rather than suggesting a cause and effect relationship.

"Competing interests: None declared"

Association of Breastfeeding Mothers

the SIDS Prevention website

I'm too tired to get anymore links.

fizzbuzz · 17/05/2008 14:00

But why would SIDS be promoting dummy use if this evidence say otherwise........Seems a bit fishy to me

hunkermunker · 17/05/2008 14:11

Lots of thoughts here, plus response from FSIDS

TinkerbellesMum · 17/05/2008 14:27

Because they're an independent company and sponsored by MAM.

Pheebe · 17/05/2008 18:56

"This may indicate that infants are at greater risk of SIDS if they routinely use a dummy but have not been given their dummy on a particular night."

I'm guessing that this is the statement that peeps are latching on to to say that dummy use (or rather forgetting to give a dummy on a particular night) may increase the risk of sids. Actually, this statement is not based on scientific evidence but is in fact raising a research question that needs to be addressed.

What is clear is that there is SOME evidence of a protective effect of dummy use however, the evidence is suggestive but weak largely due to the small sample size.

I remain to be convinced either way quite frankly.

seeker · 17/05/2008 18:58

But make sure you're not giving her a dummy when she wants more milk. She's very little, you know!

Elasticwoman · 17/05/2008 19:34

I never used a dummy, and so never had to wean a baby off a dummy. Also managed to breastfeed for as long as I wanted to; a dummy can impede that (but doesn't always). Depends on your priorities. My top priority was to get breastmilk down them so I didn't risk a dummy. Don't think it would have worked anyway as I did try once with dd1.

SCL · 19/05/2008 13:21

I'm in a dummy mess. DS1 didn't have a dummy. DS2 broke collar bone during delivery and I was told a dummy would soothe and comfort him until it mended. 4 months on he loves his dummy but it is driving me mad constantly running in to his room to put it back in when it falls out. He has it for nap times but not at bedtime (as he falls asleep easily without it at bedtime) but yells and yells at nap time until he has it or if it falls out. I know he will eventually reach the age when he can put it in himself but I don't want him to get to that stage and would like to be rid of it asap. Is cold turkey the best option or is that mean?

Thanks

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