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Anyone else's baby still full of wind at 4 months?

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firststeps · 20/04/2008 14:00

DS2 still windy most of the day and wakes up from naps and during the night with trapped wind at both ends - is this normal at 4 months+, was expecting it to have settled down by now?

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Elasticwoman · 20/04/2008 14:21

Is he a bf baby? If so it could be a positioning problem, causing him to take in too much air with the feed. In which case, see a breastfeeding counsellor.

bebobaggins · 20/04/2008 20:14

yes my DD also still windy at 4 months. Her thing seems to be to get antsy (any time, not only just after a feed) so we pick her up to burp her or calm her down and she usually burps and then pukes everywhere. So seems to be bringing a lot of milk back up with the wind. joyous isn't it? And she quite often wriggles and can't settle at night because of wind, then sometimes really screams which might also be wind or teething... ah what fun. no real advice but sympathy.

Meandmyjoe · 21/04/2008 07:49

Hate to tell you this but my ds is still often windy and he's 8 months old! I must admit, the crying and screaming because of it subsided around 5 and half months but he still whinges and trumps a lot now! Always burping too, it doesn't matter how much I burp him after a feed, he's just a wind bag!

bubblagirl · 21/04/2008 07:53

my ds was always windy didnt stop till actually it has never stopped lol he'll be 3 on sat

eased when he was about a yr but still woke him sometimes gripe before bed nearly every night

CantSleepWontSleep · 21/04/2008 08:36

Have you tried gripe water? It was the only thing that ever seemed to help dd to bring her wind up. She did turn out to be milk intolerant though, which was seemingly the cause of most of her wind/distress/vomiting.

bubblagirl · 21/04/2008 08:46

prop up for 10 mns after feeding so any wind doesnt settle and then wind again

my ds never seemed to get enough of winding but the gripe water after feed and sitting up for 10 mins really helped and having pillow propped so never laying completely flat

and never letting him drain a bottle also had to wind after every 2 ounces

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firststeps · 21/04/2008 15:56

He has infacol before every feed - what's the difference between that and gripe water?

cantsleepwontsleep how did you find out your lo was milk intolerant, is there a test you can have done or is it a case of trying a dairy free formula?

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CantSleepWontSleep · 21/04/2008 16:23

Not sure technically what the diff is between gw and infacol, but I do know that gw worked a hell of a lot better.

There isn't a reliable test for milk intolerance (even the ones for allergies are not 100%), but in my case I just gave up eating all dairy, as dd was/is breastfed. If formula fed then yes, you would need to try a hypoallergenic formula, which can be got on prescription (though GPs often reluctant to prescribe, esp if wind is his only symptom) or ordered from your pharmacy. You would want Pepti-Junior, Nutramigen or Neocate. Don't buy soya formula if you do decide to test this possibility out. If you do, allow 2 full weeks before drawing any conclusions, as it takes up to 10 days for dairy to clear completely from the body.

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firststeps · 21/04/2008 16:30

Hi again cantsleepwontsleep. His symptoms are:

Excessive wind from both ends , sometimes he brings his wind up easily, other times it really distubs his sleep

Red eczema (sp?) on his cheeks

rumbling tummy

sometimes can only take a couple of ounces of his bottle - but I feel like its as if he wants more but can't fit it in if that makes sense.

We have been battling with wind/colic since birth and things are getting progressively worse not better, so I am getting pretty desperate

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girasole · 21/04/2008 16:30

bebobaggins, my DS, who is now 4, was very similar to your description of your DD as a baby. It turned out he had gastro-oessophageal reflux, which was basically giving him heartburn and making him really uncomfortable. We found that infant gaviscon helped and he outgrew it at around 6 months.

bubblagirl · 21/04/2008 16:36

we used to use infacol spent loads on it until realised gripe water was cheaper and actually worked

i would say try gripe water infacol turned out to be an expensive waste as done nothing gripe water was near on instant i gave it after every feed and it worked although still had trapped wind but excessive winding and being propped up meant he woke less from it

CantSleepWontSleep · 21/04/2008 16:54

Ok, here's a test that you can do at home - my paed got me to do this with dd before he saw her. Get some normal cows milk, and rub a bit on/around his lips, and see what happens. If he is allergic/intolerant, then he may get a rash appear (will happen very quickly). If he doesn't get a rash then you're no closer to knowing (dd didn't get one), but if he does then you can be fairly confident that he does have a problem with milk.

His symptoms sound enough that I would be prepared to try a hypoallergenic formula if I were in your position. You really have nothing to lose (except the cost of the formula, which is more than normal stuff).

Don't rule out reflux as a possibility too, although as you don't mention him being sick a lot it would have to be silent reflux if he doesb have it.

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firststeps · 21/04/2008 16:58

he does bring milk back with his wind and is sometimes sick a few hours after a feed but more possetting than projectile vomit iykwim, but he is happy to lie flat on his back although he does prefer to be fed uprght in a chair?

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firststeps · 21/04/2008 16:59

could he have reflux and an intolerance? God this is too complicated!!

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CantSleepWontSleep · 21/04/2008 17:00

DD had silent reflux as well as the intolerance, and they do quite commonly go together, so the answer is yes.

It was her intolerance that made her sick so much though, as the reflux was silent.

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firststeps · 21/04/2008 17:03

Which formula would you recommend cantsleep? We have an appointment at the hospital on Thursday afternoon so hopefully we will get some answers there. Thanks for all your advice

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CantSleepWontSleep · 21/04/2008 17:10

Well I would not recommend nutramigen, as it's really quite vile and smells it too! I haven't tried any of the others, but from what I've heard, would be inclined to go for Pepti.

I'll add this thread to my watch list, so do let me know how you get on.

lilQuidditchKel · 21/04/2008 19:20

hi. both of mine had these problems. DD exactly so...we tried so many things...infant gaviscon in the bottles helped a lot. If you mention your probs to your GP they should be willing to get you some on prescription.

We had some luck with goat's milk formula but in the end found Aptamil easy digest better (sometimes Sainsbury's had it, sometimes I asked my local chemist to order it in).

Finally, we put DD to sleep on her tummy. Used an "angelcare" monitor to ease our minds about this, even though I've heard 1000s of stories from people of my mum's generation who all put their children to sleep on their tummies. The monitor detects any motion including breathing, as well as noise, it's brilliant and we still use it.

Good luck. I feel for you!

colander · 21/04/2008 19:35

Mine's still windy at 5 years old

Givemeasofthandledbroom · 21/04/2008 19:44

My son had dreadful colic for months after he was born. It wasn't until he was about 12 months (by which time the wind had calmed down quite a bit) that someone told me about Cranial Osteopathy. Apparently it's all to do with the baby's head being squashed during birth and the plates pressing on the nerves which control the digestive system thus (sometimes) causing colic.

I have no idea if this would help but it might be worth finding out more. It's such a distressing time.

CantSleepWontSleep · 21/04/2008 19:55

In supplement to lilKel's post, just mentioning that it's illegal to sell goat's formula in the UK now, so don't even bother looking!

margoandjerry · 21/04/2008 20:04

How odd. I'd never heard of goat's milk formula till today when someone at work told me their DD was on it. You can get it in a pharmacy in Kensington apparently.

But if it's illegal, I'm not sure why you'd want to?

lilQuidditchKel · 21/04/2008 20:06

illegal? wow. well it didn't do DD any harm. she did smell like feta cheese most of the time, but small price to pay really

DS turned out to be highly intolerant of cow's milk. i would strongly recommend you take your child's discomfort seriously, talk to your gp, and if you don't get results that way and you can afford it, try private peadiatricians till you do get a result. we had to do that -- and am so glad we did. in fact, it makes me livid to think what DS would have endured if we believed it was only colic for the first 12 months and only bronciolitis for the second

CantSleepWontSleep · 21/04/2008 20:28

It's only been illegal since Nov 95 (iirc), and wasn't made so because of it doing any harm, but rather because the protein in it is so similar to that in cows that there was seen to be no benefit to it being available.

I think there's some detail to the law which may allow shops that already had it in stock to sell through their remaining stuff, but not to buy in more (I'm hazy on the details as it's a while since I looked it up), so it may be that your Kensington pharmacy just has some very old stock.

CantSleepWontSleep · 21/04/2008 20:34

Was actually Sept 06 - here's some info on it.

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