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Please help me with an upsetting problem with my friend's ds

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Moomin · 17/04/2008 20:25

Part of this is in the wrong section, but didn't really know where else to put it. Sorry it's so long, but I do hope somebody might persevere and offer some advice for me.

My best friend lost her mum in September to cancer. She'd been diagnosed in the May so although they had some warning, it was very shocking and extremely sad. BF has a ds who is 11. He had just started at my secondary school the week before his nan died and I tried to keep a special eye on him. We let his pastoral head know and the school were very supportive, esp his form tutor. My BF was single parent for much of his upbringing; his nan was his second carer - a lively, loving, 'young' 68 and they were very close. Anyway he seemed to be dealing wth everything well; he made friends at his new school, got involved with the drama production and academically is bright. He's also very 'feminine'-looking and artistic, and gets some stick for this from some kids at school. He mostly hangs round with girls and seems to be very matter-of-fact about any name-calling and can certainly hold his own so most kids leave him be.

Another colleague teaches him English and she knows I am close with his mum. She mentioned to me this week that he had been very withdrawn, almost tearful in class and wondered if everything was ok at home. I said I'd ask his mum, which I did.

She told me that yes, he had been very tearful one day this week and when she asked him about it, he told her he'd cut his eyelashes off , but couldn't explain why he'd done this. We are obviously concerned about this but he won't talk to his mum about it further. My thoughts are that maybe it's an attention-seeking thing, in reaction to the bereavement OR could be a more conscious effort to remove something that makes him look feminine; maybe he's becoming more self-conscious about his looks and has started to dislike his appearnace? Anyway, that's one of the problems and I wondered if anyone had any expereince or ideas about how we can help him or if it's just a passing thing?

The other thing has really shaken me. I told BF that I'd discreetly talk to her ds's pastoral head and ask that she keep an eye on him just to see if he seems upset again at school. I don't have much to do with this woman (the pastoral head), she's not my cup of tea really, but I did see her to explain about BF's mum at the start of the year and I had told her me and his mum were close friends. AT the beginning of morning meeting at school today I leaned over to her and said "I wonder if I can talk to you after the meeting about **, please?" to which she replied "Oh god, he's a right weirdo. He's a freak". The meeting started then and I had no time to react although I was so I wasn't sure I'd be able to control myself. As the meeting ended she just took off to speak to someone else, obviously forgetting I had wanted to talk to her. She has also obviously forgotten that I know his mum very well; and not sure whether she has remembered about his family circumstances but if she has, she's a shit pastoral head for not being in tune with the kids she's sposed to look after and if she hasn't, then there's even less excuse for her. I was apopleptic with rage and hardly knew what to do with myself.

AT this point the Head came up and said "You ok?" and I ranted it all out. (I'm friends with the Head and his dd is friends with this lad so he knows the situation). He was furious.

I went to my lesson and the Head came in later and said he'd 'dealt with the lady in question and she wouldn't be doing it again.' He told me later that he'd bollocked her and told her commenst like that had no place in his school.

...which is great of him, but now I'm left with the probable reputation for running off to the Head to tell tales, plus I regret pouring it out to him the way I did, but I was just so angry. I'd have said the same to whever it had been who I'd spoken to next but it's unfortunate in some ways that it was the Head. I'm not working tomorrow but I am planning to maybe ask to see her Monday to clear the air - tell her I regret telling the Head before speaking to her myself (I still would have torn her off a strip), but that I was very upset to hear what she'd said about this poor lad.

I'm also considering asking if he can move Houses next year - if this is typical of the 'pastoral care' he can expect then that's appalling. But I can't tell my BF what was said. Help!

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MamaG · 17/04/2008 20:29

Its a difficult situation for you. Firstly, I think your plan to speak to the woman is a good one, so she doesn't think you ran to teh head to tell tales (although I do think, FWIW, that it was the right thing to do - appalling that she would describe the boy like that).

Has the boy had any counselling to help him come to terms with his Grandmother's death? My Granny's death when I was 15 affected me deeply but I didn't show it in a conventional way.

scootermum · 17/04/2008 20:32

Sorry to hear about the boys situation..and I cant offer any advice really except maybe to get him to go to some bereavement counselling?I think its Cruise (sp) that have sessions nationwide..I will google in a min..

With re the silly woman..TBH I wouldnt give a monkeys what she thought of me..she sounds like a total horror..Im glad she got her comeuppance..that said if you are going to worry about it then do what you suggested..tell her you hadnt meant to 'tell on her', but that you did feel she was being totally inappropriate and unprofessional..

You sound like a lovely friend and a very professional teacher..I hope it all works out in the end..

Moomin · 17/04/2008 20:32

No I don't think he's had any counselling. I think maybe it'd be a good idea though. I'm seeing my BF tomorrow night so might broach it. Would like to be clearer about what I feel about the school situation before I see her though it's doing my head in.

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Moomin · 17/04/2008 20:33

What about the eyelashes? What's all that about?

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cory · 17/04/2008 20:33

I'm just speechless!!! Wtf is a woman like that doing in a school?

I am glad you told the Head. Never mind what reputation it gets you, think of that poor lad. And any other unfortunate child she happens to take a dislike to. It is important that the Head knows how she deals with the children in her care- think of the next one that comes along; I bet they will be believed all the more easily because a responsible adult had the guts to speak out. Well done you!

scootermum · 17/04/2008 20:34

Have googled..Its Cruse bereavement care-they have sessions all over the country and from a quick shufty at the website they do dedicated bits for young people..might help?

petetong · 17/04/2008 20:36

You did the right thing, how dare an adult who is supposed to be in charge of pastoral care speak this way about an adolescent. Quite frankly you shouldn't feel guilt. She should be sacked. I would hate to think of her having anything to do with either of my dcs. she should be sacked.

cory · 17/04/2008 20:37

The two thoughts on the eyelashes that spring to mind are:

he may have been teased at school and called gay, so is trying to reduce feminine appearance

or

it may be an unusual form of mild self-harming (less likely I'd have thought)

Moomin · 17/04/2008 20:38

When I asked the Head what hed said to her and he told me I said "God, she'll probably hate me forever now" and he said "Join the club, she hates my fcking guts already!" and laughed. If I'd somehow done what she'd done - we all make unprofessional comments from time to time, but I feel her views were just so bloody unnecessary and cruel - I'd have swallowed my embarrassment and gone to apologise for what I'd said. This woman is very very pig-headed though and cats like she runs the school half the time. Co-incidentally, she has no kids. Shouldn't matter of course but I do wonder if she's missing an empathy or compassion bone somewhere? Bitch

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petetong · 17/04/2008 20:41

Oh god, I hope this isn't my dcs school. What a terrible situation.

Yabbadabbadooo · 17/04/2008 20:43

She sounds totally unprofessional. She is in the wrong job.

Moomin · 17/04/2008 20:44

Do you think I should try to persuade my BF to request that her ds changes house next year? I'm pretty sure the Head would support it. How to do it without telling BF exactly what was said though??

I'm actually embarrassed that anyone at my school would talk like this though as well. I feel somehow indirectly responsible, although I know this is silly. I just think it relfect so badly on the school, and that's wrong - it's a good school and most staff are good people.

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petetong · 17/04/2008 20:50

absolutely, the most important thing is that her ds isn't exposed to this woman any more. Whatever you say, it must be said for this sake of this child

Vulgar · 17/04/2008 20:56

Moomin - you are lovely

Don't worry about the pastoral care woman, she sounds shit.

I shaved my eyebrows off when I was 13 just because I was bored. Then I realised what a stupid thing I'd done and got in a right state about having to go to school so maybe it was just a silly thing he did without thinking. I hope the poor lad isn't suffering too much.

Don't really have much advice about the changing house thing. Maybe wait a couple of days and see what you think then.

Vulgar · 17/04/2008 20:58

i meant -don't worry about what the pastoral care woman THINKS, she sounds shit!!

MrsMuddle · 17/04/2008 21:01

Re the eyelashes thing, I was at school with someone who pulled out her lashes. It was, I think, a nervous habit - looking back now, I guess you'd class it as some type of self-harm, as someone suggested earlier.

I didn't know her well, and don't know if she resolved it. I'm just letting you know that it might be more common than you think.

You sound like a great fiend and a great teacher.

MrsMuddle · 17/04/2008 21:02

fiend obviously!

MrsMuddle · 17/04/2008 21:02

Sorry - friend! sticky keys.

Solitaire · 17/04/2008 21:05

Maybe this will help Moomin as it specialises in bereavment support for children and young people.
Well done on not thumping that stupid women. Who the hell lets her loose with kids, she's bloody shit.
You on the other hand are lovley

callmeovercautious · 17/04/2008 21:11

All I can say is that I think you did the right thing. Your instict on this has to be right - you know the Child. OK so maybe your emotions mixed things up a bit but she was definately wrong to make a comment like that.

I hope it all calms down for you.

Peapodlovescuddles · 20/04/2008 13:08

First of all poor little thing, that woman sounds like a complete cow.
Perhaps it might be worth the head, very quietly checking the boy is ok? If he knows you it might be a bit embarrassing for him to be totally open, the head talking to him would show him that
a) the school takes his well being very seriously, even if some of his teachers haven't expressed this very well
b)he has someone who isn't close to the family to talk to
c)he can talk to a bloke which he might find easier

I do wonder about some teachers though. I do hope you get this sorted, my god-daughter had a similar woman as her head of year in yr9 when she was very badly bullied, when she first found the courage to go to her she was told 'oh don't be so melodramatic X would never do that, stop wasting my time' I'm still fuming about this 4 years later

DoodleToYou · 20/04/2008 13:14

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purpleduck · 20/04/2008 13:28

Eyelashes:
Hmm, I would watch and wait on that. My best friend growing up has hairy arms, and she shaved them one day. Just regular teenager being ultra body conscious. So I agree that maybe he is just trying to change his appearance.

Colleague: Apologise for telling head, as you feel that you were wrong. I think you sound very principled, so if that would ease your mind, you should. But also explain that you are close to the boy/ his mother and that her comments were shocking.

Good Luck

tigermoth · 20/04/2008 13:28

oh, this is a poignent story for me, as it has echoes of what happened to one of my closest friends. I had a neighbour called Peter who I grew up with and he was a happy, very bright little boy.

Around the age of 13 he lost his grandmother, who lived with him and his mother (she was a widow). Peter was very close to his grandmother but everyone, me included, did not realise how very badly he was affected by her death. I am sorry to say it marked the beginning of mental health problems that dogged him for the rest of his life (he died in his forties). He blamed his grandmother's death for bringing on his illness. Whether this was true or not I cannot say (and at his age he was going through puberty as well). But I know at the time, no one realised how upset he was. He also spent his late teens and twenties very sexually confused. I know his problems were very complex and I can't begin to unravel the real causes, but I do feel that if his grief had been addressed more seriously and earlier, things might have been better for him.

Sorry to get so heavy, but I'd definitely do all you can to get this nasty woman right away from this boy at school. Changing houses is an excellent start.

DoodleToYou · 20/04/2008 13:38

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