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3 year olds behaviour.

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ali2709 · 02/08/2023 22:28

My son will be 3 in September he's an only child but had been around other children from me taking him to playgroups and classes and he's been going to nursery since he was around 18 months,the health visitors were worried from 12 months old that he was slightly behind but as he's got older it's become a little more apparent,so he's been referred to inclusion support but we have been waiting 6 months and still not appointment from that,so in the mean time I'm at my wits end with him and I just feel awful for being so negative all the time but he is hard work, I always dread taking him out anywhere where there are other children I have to literally hover over him because he attacks them gives sly pinches,pushes them over tries to bite them,he bites all the time everyone he sees he will bite when he's over excited when he's angry I have tried to correct his behaviour but it's almost like he doesn't understand what I'm saying to him he can talk but not in full sentences he just says single words so can't really express how he feels either which then leads to the meltdowns he is so strong and no consoling him works I have to just leave him and watch it happen when he is told he can't do something the meltdowns last well over an hour because there is no reasoning with him offering alternatives or redirecting him does not work,he has no sense of danger he will run in front of things at the park so I always have to be right there with him,he is super full on literally doesnt sit still at all,all day even when hes eating he has to move and come back for his food,I'm just not sure what I'm supposed to do as I'm not getting any help or advice from my health visitor they are just saying I have to wait for the appointment to come through so he can be assessed to see what will work for him but in the mean time I am really struggling I've tried Chewies for the biting they don't work I always tell him he shouldn't do it that dont work I try to redirect that dont work once he's got something in mind it's like he has to follow through with it no matter what.has anyone been through anything similar or have any advice they could share? that would be great I'm struggling.

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SiouxsieSiouxStiletto · 03/08/2023 14:16

Wow that sounds really full on, you must be exhausted Flowers

I would go back to your HV and insist that he's referred for a hearing test and Speech & Language Therapy. The SLT will want him to have had a hearing test to rule out Glue Ear.

Also got her to try and bring the appointment closer. Tell her how much you're struggling and you need help.

And I'd ask for a referral to Portage too.

What are Nursery doing to help him? Has he got an ECHP?

And has anyone suggested reading The Explosive Child?

ali2709 · 03/08/2023 21:34

Hi thanks for the reply he had a hearing test done a few months ago and it all come back as normal the nursery don't have an ehcp in place for him I'm just constantly getting incident forms to sign when he's had behaviour we are thinking about switching his nursery to be honest but I know that they have sent off there information for inclusion support so we are just waiting to hear back from them,I called the health visitor today and all she offered was to refer us to the children's centre so he can have a few sessions that's like school over the holidays while he's not there because she thinks that part of the reason why his behaviour is so bad at the moment is because he's off school so I'm hoping that this will improve slightly and no ill have a look into the book any information I can get on what I'm going through would be great.

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CherryBomb87 · 13/08/2023 08:00

Hey, I posted this on another chat but I feel like it relates so just pasting here x

CherryBomb87 · Today 07:46

Hey,

No advice but maybe a little companionship. My dc is 3 in October, he's always been a little, er, unique and I see his behaviour as an escalation of his personality rather than just being badly behaved. He's always screamed and been angry if things weren't just right, he screamed at his bottle as a baby if he could see it but it wasn't ready (and the tommee tippee only takes 2 minutes but he would scream and scream like he was on fire) and if toys didn't work the way he wanted them to.

This weekend is particularly bad because we're away to see his 90 year old gran so there's a lot of change. He bites, pinches and hits and no @Cormoran you can't always see it coming (and I'm usually very good at reading emotions, with animals and people). This morning he woke up and asked for water, we're all in one room in a hotel for two nights, and I said it's just next to you darling, in the blue cup. So he screamed and threw it across the room. That was our first interaction today.

I don't think other people understand the tenacity of kids like this. I'm sure we're consistent but some battles I've fought and lost - I wanted him not to climb on the windowsill. Pretty basic stuff. Every time he went near it, on it, started to climb I'd say no, we don't climb on the windowsill. He'd ignore me so then I stayed saying no and I would physically remove him ideally before he got there. That didn't work (we did that 70 times in two hours) - we stayed indoors for that time to confront it head on rather than distract on this occasion. So we escalated to time ins. One minute time in (on my lap) each time. Then time outs. One minute on the stairs. Then after two weeks two minutes. It didn't work. So before people judge and say "you just have to be consistent" maybe ask yourself what would you do faced with the same situation. I made it safe and gave up.

I can't give up on biting and hitting though, that's obviously a red line. I'm form about a lot of things, we don't have sweets whenever we want them(, we do have one treat a day on average). We always stop before crossing a road. We don't run off. Etc. I don't think I'm too harsh or lenient but I question it all the time.

He can listen, I know he can - but chooses not to. I'm now sure of it.

I only share this to see if it sounds at all similar?

What works is I turn him facing away from me, I cross his hands over his body and hold him and his hands tight but calmly. If he tries to bite I pick him up so he's leaned back slightly and his teeth can't reach my arms. I say we don't pinch, we don't bite, we don't hit, we don't fight (it wasn't meant to rhyme, it just came out that way) and we need to be kind. Once he calmer, we hug or blow away clouds with a big breath five times or count to ten and back down. Every day we read books about feelings and anger.

I'm about to implement a reward chart and reintroduce time outs.

As a side note, I have absolutely lost my sh*t with him every now and again, when I'm at my absolute wits end and I can tell you that there is no level of shouting that has any positive impact, if anything it makes him worse for a solid week. I never shout intentionally, but I'm only human and I'm very tired.

CherryBomb87 · 13/08/2023 08:00

I'll be picking up a copy of that book, thank you x

Vebar2020 · 30/12/2023 22:14

Just doing a search and this popped up...this is ny 3 Yr old son..word for word. How are you getting on? We keep getting told its a phase, but I'm not convinced :/. Our son has a vision impairment so has a lot of sensory issues, but things just arent calming down and oh my days i am exhausted!x

PinkMimosa · 30/12/2023 23:08

Vebar2020 · 30/12/2023 22:14

Just doing a search and this popped up...this is ny 3 Yr old son..word for word. How are you getting on? We keep getting told its a phase, but I'm not convinced :/. Our son has a vision impairment so has a lot of sensory issues, but things just arent calming down and oh my days i am exhausted!x

If he's got a vision impairment is it genetic @Vebar2020 abc have they been referred for genetic testing?

Vebar2020 · 31/12/2023 07:33

Yes we've already been through the process and got his diagnosis x

PinkMimosa · 31/12/2023 07:53

Sorry @Vebar2020 I didn't mean to be intrusive. DC1 is currently waiting for genetic testing although he doesn't have vision impairment, it does all seem to be linked with the micro deletion they're testing for Flowers

Vebar2020 · 31/12/2023 07:57

Not at all :). Hope it all goes smoothly for you. How old is your little one? We only asked for it out of curiosity, it was such a long waiting list! We managed to get the results fast tracked x

PinkMimosa · 31/12/2023 08:02

Vebar2020 · 31/12/2023 07:57

Not at all :). Hope it all goes smoothly for you. How old is your little one? We only asked for it out of curiosity, it was such a long waiting list! We managed to get the results fast tracked x

He's actually an adult now! ADHD was diagnosed as an adult, we started the process whilst he was on High School but nothing really happened as Lockdown started the following week. He had a usual skin condition that can be caused by a micro-deletion which can also cause ADHD, ASD and sometimes Macular Dystrophy.

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