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3 year old not sleeping, arguing and now pooing pants at school

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oljam · 15/02/2008 09:20

I am having major problems with DS2 he is 3.3 and he is giving me such a hard time. We have had a pretty stressful time of things lately, our house got flooded in January, rescued in a boat in the pitch black and had to move out for three weeks (anybody staying in jenpet's gite this summer you're going to have a lovely time it's fab it's like a five star hotel) so I can appreciate that things have been stressful for him but he's got substantially worse since moving back home.

For starters, I seem to spend all my time with him screaming at me particularly on a morning, this breakfast bowl, that spoon, sit next to me, DS1 stop looking at me, don't want to get dressed, I'm not going to school. So a very stressful morning time and to be honest I do end up screaming like a fishwife at the end of it too. I've asked at school and he's fine there a really happy and sociable child who gest on with everybody EXCEPT in the past two weeks he's been pooing in his pants. He started in September and had not had one single accident until now. Every day the teacher just hands me this plastic bag with shitty pants and trousers and a look as if to say sort it out. When I try to talk about it to DS2 he will walk away saying I'm not listening or I'm not speaking to you. I've tried punishing with the babies don't use the toilet and poo in their pants and so you can't do big boy things until you don't poo your pants at school, he likes to play on DS1's DS or watch Power Rangers. I've stopped all that until he can do big boy stuff ie use the toilet again.

Bedtimes are turning into a nightmare. I put him to bed, and read both boys a story, DS1 sits quietly and listens DS2 wanders round the bedroom and can't/won't sit down. Then I put them to bed, both boys have the same routine, kiss and a cuddle with mummy, a little chat about the day and then off to sleep, it's always been like this and DS1 is asleep within 10 minutes. Last night DS2 the little bugger was still running around at 10.00, he's turning on lights, going into DS1's room while he's sleeping to get toys and generally refusing to sleep. Tuesday night, I had to lock him in his room for his own safety because I was going to kill him. I'm at my wits end and don't really know what to do. My husband works away so is only with us weekends, but DS2 hasn't ever known anything different to this, so I don't think that's the problem. I've tried to speak to the teacher at school, but we're in France and although my French is OK it's not good enough to go into the minutiae of DS2's problems and to be honest apart from the poo thing he doesn't have any problems at school. Although he doesn't speak French he's the boy who is friends with everyone, if you know what I mean. I know they have changed his classroom assistant in the last couple of weeks, but he already knew the new one and in fact spent time teasing DS1 in the car the other day because they'd swapped classroom assistants and DS2 thinks he's got the better deal.

Also he'll wake up for a wee about 2.00 or 3.00 in the morning and I've found myself stood on the landing arguing with him because he's adament that he's coming in to my bed and I'm equally adament he's not. Sometimes I can put him back in his bedroom but then he does screaming and shouting for over an hour. Other times he goes back without any problems at all. However, I'm completely knackered I have stress all day with work etc and then not much sleep at night.

He does sleep with a nightlight on and I'm very tempted tonight to flick the fuse switch on the upstairs light circuits so he can't turn any lights on up there and possibly unplug his nightlight so he can't see to play and has to go to bed. However, he's not happy in the dark and I'm guessing this could cause hysterics of a different kind.

Any advice on how to deal with this is greatly appreciated. I've kind of run out of things in my repertoire. I would mention that DS2 is a very bright little boy and he certainly has me pegged. I was talking to a friend about this yesterday and when she's looked after him he's been as good as gold with her, chatting away to her, no arguments, so I guess it's just me he feels the need to stand up against.

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oljam · 15/02/2008 09:32

Gosh this has slipped off active convos already - Please anybody any advice?

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HonoriaGlossop · 15/02/2008 09:33

so then give him less to fight against perhaps...........

As DS has got older I must say I have really relaxed on the coming in to our bed thing; why fight it so very hard and make a stand off of it? We have let DS come in when he is scared or unwell and he knows that as soon as he is 'better' he will be back in his room. but if a 3 year old needs the security of his parents bed, give it I say.

It also gives you some bargaining power; yes, you can come in with me but ONLY if you settle down to sleep. If he doesn't, he goes back in his room.....

I'd stop giving the poo any attention whatsoever. I know it's horrible to deal with but just clean up the trousers, no comment at all. don't punish him for it or withdraw stuff - just ignore it. that will be the quickest way through it, I'm sure.

I think perhaps the flood will have made him understandably a little insecure - it must have been terrifying. Not surprising that some unsettlement has resulted.

Buda · 15/02/2008 09:40

Pooing after having been trained can be due to constipation.

A friend was really struggling with her 8 yr old with this and it turned out he was completely constipated and bunged up.

Bensonbluebird · 15/02/2008 09:42

You sound like you are having a really difficult time and it can't help that you are on your own all week, there is no one else around for him to play up with. Do you have the same problems at the weekend when DH is around?

My DS1 (3.1)seems to be having a testosterone surge at the moment - he is generally very calm but has gone completely rampageous lately. Could that be what is going on with your DS2? It is probably also that as he becomes more independent and spends more time away from you he needs to make sure that the bond between you is still there. So he's doing it because he loves you! Does that make you feel better? hum, maybe not.

Re the waking at night thing, my DS1 sometimes wakes and wants to come into bed with us, or makes lots of demands like wanting to go for a wee again and again, wanting a drink, wanting to put socks or a jumper on etc etc. I find the only thing that really works is to respond to reasonable requests, like going for a wee once, but not to talk or get engaged in any kind of dialogue. Just straight back to bed. If he gets up again, I put him straight back to bed again. He has had a tantrum a few times and again I just keep putting him back into bed. He will calm down, ask for a cuddle and then go back to sleep.

Hope it all calms down for you soon.

wheresthehamster · 15/02/2008 09:46

Agree with letting him come into your bed. If you both get a good night's sleep then you can face the day time problems more positively.

Has he developed a problem with the school toilets and doesn't want to use them?

Do you think hes craving attention for some reason?

Good luck

Pitchounette · 15/02/2008 09:57

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oljam · 15/02/2008 10:14

I did wonder if the pooing was due to constipation as I have a friend who's son has that problem, but he asks for the toilet at home and doesn't have any accidents. I don't know if has problems with the toilets at school they're only little so he can reach them better, I always take him to the loo before I drop him off and he hasn't expressed any worry or fear of them. I think it started when he had the runs, I'd given him some mango and it must have gone straight through him but now I think it's become some sort of habit. We've got two weeks half term now so I'm hoping he gets out of it duriing his time at home.

I don't really want him in bed with me on a night, he's like a mountain goat and I don't get any sleep when he's there, even in his sleep he's arguing about where he want his head on my pillow! I end up perched at the edge of the bed. I have done the putting him back into bed, and then again if he gets up again, and he's getting better on that score. He's allowed into my bed on a morning for a snuggle so generally comes in for a snuggle for 15 mins when he hears my alarm go off and we have a nice time and a little chat.

I don't really have any problems with him on a weekend re bed times, but he's generally very busy all day, as I send him out to play in the garden, go for walks, swimming etc. Also, he doesn't have a nap on an afternoon with me, whereas at school they insist he has a nap, which I'm guessing is the root of the bedtime problems, they won't budge on that one though, all the children nap for an hour or two in the afternoon and their stance is if he sleeps he obviously needs it. They refuse to knock it on the head so I guess I'm stuck with him sleeping on an afternoon for the next 18 months.

With regard to attention, the time between collecting the boys from school and putting them to bed is solely for them. We play games together, read together, go on the trampoline, it's all family time. Last night DS2 and I had a snuggle on the settee and looked at his work book from school together talking about the photos in there etc, so they do get time.

Well as I say, it's half term for the next two weeks so I'm sure I can knacker him out during the day so he's begging for his bed

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juuule · 15/02/2008 10:18

In the mornings try not to scream back at him. Tell him it makes you sad when he screams at you.

I would let him into your bed on the nights that he's reluctant to go back to his own. If he needs you to feel secure, then let him until he feels okay. More sleep all round for everyone.

Regarding the pooing get him checked out for constipation. This was a cause of soiling for one of our children (encopresis). No telling off, no lectures, just clean it up.

I can't see that turning all the lights off is going to help in any way whatsoever. Probably make him fee even more insecure.

3yo still running around at 10pm is not that unusual. Would he feel better quietening down in the same room as you (living room, maybe) and taking him up to bed later.

We have also found that sometimes the more outrageous the behaviour, the more we need to spend time with the child and pay more attention.

Hope things improve for you soon.

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