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Maybe autism, maybe not? Don't know!

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PatrickMJ · 07/05/2022 15:19

Hi Folks,

I know there are a number of posts on autism, but I'm confused! Our wee boy will be 3yrs next month and there are a few flags. Nursery and health visitor haven't flagged anything up as yet, but when he is with his peers, our undoubedtly behaves differently.

Our concerns are:
-no real pretend play (pushes toy cars around, sometimes says "stop" and "go"), likes letters and numbers
-doesn't wave, say "hello", "goodbye" or "yes" or "no"
-stimming - it's come & gone over recent months, but at the moment consists of head nodding, hand flapping and humming
-runs a lot, very active, tends to run rather than walk
-when taken to the zoo or a child's themed outdoor park, he will just run about like a headless chicken, won't take much interest in what is there
-language delay - does say short sentences, usually the same ones, usually asks "what's that" when out repeaedtly (mother speaks Polish to him and I speak English to him, so bilingual household)
-late pointer and late responding to name, but he will do these things now

Having said that:
-he sleeps well
-eats well and eats pretty much everything given to him
-good eye contact
-not obsessed with anything
-generall compliant, will follow basic commands
-likes nursery
-recgonises emotion and shares emotions
-likes hugs and will ask for hugs
-seems OK wqith change of routine

In my mind there are some definitei autism flags there, but quite a few positives. Anyone else have any thoughts?

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ashland · 07/05/2022 19:26

My ds is very similar and still don't know what it is. Again bilingual household but I feel he doesn't have the comprehension like other kids his age does. What you describe is exactly what I have as a concern as well. The humming, it happens just before he is about to drift off to sleep and it was a thing that he used to do when breastfeeding which we stopped recently. His behaviour is very difficult. Again in public he will run around like a headless chicken although his purpose would be to explore and make a game out of it. I don't know if it's asd or not as well as he has a other side to him where he doesn't seem to. His always made us know his needs and for way over a year he would point (since 18/19 months), gesture, share interest with good eye contact or with words since turning 2. Again he is speech delayed and not at a level his peers are. His nursery said he is a good boy but he is behind by between 6-12 months in some areas but then again they said he started in April and a lot of kids who started months before him were the same and they are lockdown kids. Sorry about my long lengthy reply and not being helpful with any advice but I just wanted to bump your thread and actually follow it if anyone replies with their experience.

InPointofFact · 07/05/2022 20:35

Before I start, the only way that you will know for sure is by having your son assessed... and that since autism is a spectrum, not everyone experiences it the same way so some autistic children will show some indicators but not others... but from what you've said:

"no real pretend play (pushes toy cars around, sometimes says "stop" and "go"), likes letters and numbers"

Check if he repeatedly lines up his cars or any other toys, as lining toys up is one of the indicators of autism.

"Doesn't wave, say "hello", "goodbye" or "yes" or "no""

He might just be shy, see what happens if you encourage him to start doing this

"stimming - it's come & gone over recent months, but at the moment consists of head nodding, hand flapping and humming"

Head nodding, hand flapping and humming are pretty strong indicators of Autism - but he is only 3 years old so he might just do it because it's fun? I think that stronger evidence would be if he did these behaviours in association with some kind of anxious situation

"runs a lot, very active, tends to run rather than walk"

Seems like typical 3 year old behaviour!

"when taken to the zoo or a child's themed outdoor park, he will just run about like a headless chicken, won't take much interest in what is there"

Again, sounds like a typical 3 year old!

"language delay - does say short sentences, usually the same ones, usually asks "what's that" when out repeaedtly (mother speaks Polish to him and I speak English to him, so bilingual household)"

Repeating the same sentences over and over again is an indicator of autism, but he is only 3... does he repeat what other people say often? You could start using a word that is unfamiliar to him often and see if he starts trying to repeat it... "as a matter of fact" is a good one to try.

-he sleeps well

This could well be because of how active he is, and it is interesting that he hums himself to sleep, but you did spend many years humming to him as a baby so he might just be using that technique on himself!

-eats well and eats pretty much everything given to him

See what happens if you give him a meal where things on the plate are mixed up or touching each-other, especially sauces. Obviously try this with food that you know he likes!

-good eye contact

Bad eye-contact is a strong indicator of autism, but of course it is a spectrum so not all people experience autism the same way...

-not obsessed with anything

Again, this is usually a strong indicator but not everyone with autism does this

-generally compliant, will follow basic commands

Even if a reason isn't given?

-likes nursery

Schools and nurseries have gotten a lot better at being understanding and non-judgemental of children's different behaviours, so he could just like nursery because they are catering to his playing and social needs / style.

-recgonises emotion and shares emotions

Beyond happy / sad / angry ?

-likes hugs and will ask for hugs

That's nice, you could check for touch-associated indicators by giving him a cotton-ball 😊

-seems OK with change of routine

Getting anxious over a change of routine is usually a strong indicator of autism

PatrickMJ · 08/05/2022 14:38

In terms of the lining-up toys, he started doing that 8 weeks ago, but never before and not in the same way each time. The nursery say this is schematic play. But yes, I know that this can be a red-flag for autism, but I guess it's all about context!

In terms of repeating, he repeatedly asks "what's that" and points to things he knows the answer to, I reply "you tell me" or "you know what that is", to which he answers his own question! He will ask it 10 seconds later though!

Food touching on the plate isn't an issue, he has meat, veg, pasta dishes and rice dishes, so no problem.

First time he stimmed was October last year when he hit his head a few times, then it faded away. It's back, along with vigorous shaking head from side to side and nodding, but not excessively, perhaps a few times per day.

But yes you're right, best get him checked. I'd just wondered what folk thought!

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