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Asked the gp for a referral for my 6 year old son.

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CanIJustHaveAWord · 24/02/2022 16:08

My lovely son is 6. He's a sweet boy who is cheeky and mischievous and charms most people he meets.
Obviously he hasn't ever had a full school year as he started in reception in 2019.
Last year (year 1) his teacher started telling us that he was constantly swinging on his chair in class. He had been moved several times and it hadn't helped so she wanted us to step in.
We started speaking to him about it and eventually it seemed to stop.
This year we are constantly hearing about how he isn't listening in class and is very easily distracted.
We started a sort of behaviour chart where if he got three ticks he could have twenty minutes of screen time when he got in from school.
We tried using his screen as a reward rather than taking it away iyswim? We've looked at his diet but it's pretty good, we've taken his screens away completely during the week (he's always had time limits set and lots of restrictions on them anyway.)
But Dh mentioned a few months back that he wondered if it might be adhd or similar.
The past two weeks of school ds has been sent out of class regularly. He's disrupting the class and his teacher said one day that she had to tell him 30 times to sit down or get on with his work. Yet his other teacher says he's good as gold for her, she only has to tell him once. She does have a real soft spot for him though.
I emailed our gp last week and she rang me yesterday.
She asked me lots of questions about his behaviour and has asked me to write down my concerns and asked me to ask school to do the same.
I spoke to my mum about it before the email to the gp and she literally told me that it's our fault as we spoilt him. He is the third child, first boy and is 6 and 9 years younger than his sisters.
I don't think we have spoilt him. He's patented the same way as we patented his siblings.
I think we've been putting a lot of his behaviour down to the pandemic and not being in school for so long. Now I've read a bit about it and some of it really resonates.
He gets cross really quickly if he can't do something. He has just been trying to pack away a fiddly drawing set that folds down in a specific way and when I asked him not to lean on it because he would break it he went into a spiral and ended up laid on the sofa sobbing. After a bit he came back to me and we calmly figured it out together.
He can't sit still when we are at table eating and it's hard when I feel like I'm constantly asking him to turn round and eat.
If I ask him to go and do three things like 'brush teeth, get shoes and coat' he might remember one of the things and bring down a toy etc.
He goes to football and rugby twice a week and swimming once a week to use up his energy but he can't follow instructions at all.
We tried teaching him how to ride his bike with no stabilisers on and he can do it he will steer off the path onto the grass. If you suggest he steers away from the grass he will go into a huge strop about how he can't do it and it wasn't his fault.

He had his hearing tested at school and it's perfect so at least I can rule that out as being the reason.

I don't really know why I'm posting on here. I guess I need some advice on the process and a handhold.

We've had a lovely afternoon watching encanto snuggled up on the couch together which I loved. He can focus on somethings sometimes.

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ihavechangedmyname54321 · 24/02/2022 18:48

My son is 6 too and a lot of what you’ve said resonates. I also think he might have ADHD.

I’ve never been contacted directly by school in the way you’ve had, but a couple of things have come up at parents’ evenings: shouting out, making silly noises randomly, not doing what he’s asked first time. He is also a bit of a pain at clubs, he fiddles, looks around, doesn’t look like he’s listening at all. Interestingly he’s fine at swimming, which he loves and is a small group of about 5 maximum. I asked his swimming instructor specifically as he’s been going a while and I was interested to hear that he listens very well there and knows exactly what’s expected of him.

He’s very fidgety, jiggles his legs when sitting listening to a story or playing a game. He concentrates on things that interest him like Lego, and to be fair he can get through school work, reading books, homework etc pretty well. He rushes work a lot, to get it done, so his handwriting isn’t the best, but I personally don’t think it’s awful either.

He’s like you describe your son with the instructions at home though. When it’s something he knows is part of his morning (for example he knows on school days he has to get dressed before heading downstairs) he’s fine, but if it’s a request like go and get a jumper and your toothbrush from upstairs, he either won’t, or will forget one, etc.

Interestingly he’s great on his bike and learned to ride, no stabilisers, age 4!

It’s difficult isn’t it. Some days I think my son is fine and he’s a lovely, kind boy so much of the time. He’s very sensitive though, also gets upset easily if he can’t do something, and I know his teacher thinks he can be disruptive and “challenging”.

CanIJustHaveAWord · 24/02/2022 20:28

Wow yes, a lot of what you talk about is my son. He makes silly noises. During training for football or rugby he can often been found at the other end of the pitch in his own world. I'm terrified of him being left behind and I don't want to look back in a few years and wish I had been more proactive. Sad

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CanIJustHaveAWord · 25/02/2022 08:24

He has absolutely no problems sleeping through the night but was awful as a baby.

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ihavechangedmyname54321 · 25/02/2022 11:12

Yes my son is like that at some clubs. The instructor tends to have to call him by name specifically, and school have to do this as well. He quite often doesn't respond to "everyone go over and do x" type instructions, the teacher has to repeat it "DS, go and do x".

I do think a lot of it depends on interest though, as how he is at swimming proves that. My DS isn't interested in sports at all so the clubs where I've noticed he's fidgeting/not paying attention, it's hard to know if it's because he's just not interested enough.

Is your DS keen on rugby/football? If he's not hugely keen it might be worth seeing if there's a club which will hold his interest.

My DS has always slept very well! And still does at 6. He needs a good 11.5 hours a night consistently.

CanIJustHaveAWord · 25/02/2022 16:48

Yes, he cannot follow group instructions at all. I hadn't thought of it like that but it's so true.
I think we will probably drop the football at some point but Dh has ended up coaching the rugby team he's on! Swimming wise he loves it and we could probably stop that once he's a safe swimmer but because dd's both ended up swimming up to doing Rookie lifeguard so I think I want him to do what they did. Daft I know!

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CanIJustHaveAWord · 26/02/2022 11:54

He's had a good couple of sessions of rugby and football this week. He even s ores his first try. I think because of the idea he may have adhd we've been speaking to him slightly differently.
He did have one 'meltdown' (not sure if that's a term I'm supposed to use but I'm struggling to find another) when I asked him to put his football socks on and he put it on the wrong way round. It took about ten minutes before we could just start over.

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ihavechangedmyname54321 · 26/02/2022 14:09

I read an article recently that described all children as either orchids or dandelions. Orchids need a lot more “gentle” care - if you Google the concept you should find info on it. My DS is definitely an orchid! When I remind myself of this I definitely manage him better.

Does your DS have any sensory issues? Mine does around clothing mainly, nothing that interferes with daily life as such but your comment about socks reminded me, as my DS is very funny about socks, takes them off as soon as he gets home 99% of the time and we often have meltdowns in the morning about socks not being on “right”. He also is a nightmare to dress smart eg jeans and shirt, other than his school uniform which he wears quite happily. He’d live in joggers/leggings and tops if he had his way (which most of the time he does).

In what way is he disruptive in school? Does he get up a lot?

CanIJustHaveAWord · 26/02/2022 22:20

I don't see any sensory issues at all with him and clothing. It's more that if something doesn't go his way he can't get over it.
School wise it's just faffing about. Everyone else is head down working and he's turning round, talking to people etc.
I will google the orchid thing. Anything to help him.

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CanIJustHaveAWord · 28/02/2022 09:59

We've had a really good weekend with him. Well Dh has, I've been in work late both days but we've had the morning.
He played well at football on Saturday and did well at rugby on Sunday too.
Dh took him to a large, flat area near us to ride his bike.
What normally happens when we get his bike out is he has a couple of goes, steers onto the grass, falls off and goes mad. He will shout that he is trying and it's not his fault the bike just did it.
I last took him out on it during the Christmas holidays (January) and took two of his friends who can happily ride their bikes thinking it would encourage him but he was happier just running about.
So Dh took him and his older sister with both their bikes. Apparently, true to form he kicked off, but after a while of Dh keeping calm he got on. They were there for almost an hour with him going up and down and turning corners and laughing his head off.
Apparently he didn't want to stop so they did an extra twenty minutes and he even tried to set off a few times on his own. He got really frustrated when he couldn't manage it but Dh reminded him of how far he had come just that morning and that they would bring his (old) smaller bike next time to try again.

Meanwhile I'm at work getting all these videos of him. Smile
So this morning I was talking to him about class and saying he has a busy brain and he needs to turn the noise down on that and concentrate on what's being said and Dh told him that if he hadn't heard or didn't understand what he was supposed to be doing he should put his hand up and ask the teacher.
It was all looking promising until I got to school and realised I was two days early for own clothes day.
He was almost in tears and I felt awful for him.
I've messaged his teacher in case they want me to bring his uniform in but I haven't heard back. Sad

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CanIJustHaveAWord · 28/02/2022 21:48

Just writing in here to keep a record I think.
I've been in work since 2 and Dh messaged me when he had picked him up. Apparently he had a great day and was focused on the tasks she set.
He then had a swimming lesson where he did as he was asked for the first twenty minutes and then lost interest.
Massive progress.
School have said they will send me a list of the problems he's facing in class.
Then I just need to write down our worries and email them to the doctor who will send them on.
I don't know what the process is beyond that though.

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ihavechangedmyname54321 · 08/09/2022 21:38

@CanIJustHaveAWord hi there, sorry for boing your thread but I wondered how it’s all going with your DS since your last post?

ihavechangedmyname54321 · 08/09/2022 21:39

*bumping, not boing, although I guess the movement is the same 😝

Cheeseandcrackers86 · 09/09/2022 12:51

How intrusive would you say his behaviour actually is at home? Does he sleep? When you say he won't stay on task or follow instructions is this literally never or just certain times? Are there any especially angry outbursts? Is he aggressive or disrespectful at school or just fidgety?

There could be ADHD underlying but it doesn't actually sound extreme from what you're saying tbh. I have to day as well that either way it sounds as if his school are being a bit negative about it all. How do you feel they're dealing with it in all honesty? Xx

Cheeseandcrackers86 · 09/09/2022 12:52

Doh! Zombie thread although feel free to reply if your issues aren't resolved haha x

CanIJustHaveAWord · 09/09/2022 16:20

Hi, thanks for the replies.
I've had a few name changes since this so I am only replying now I've had time to change back!
He's been better over summer. We went away for three weeks and he did two 9 hour flights with little fuss.
I agree with the pp who said his teacher seemed really negative about his behaviour. I've come to realise that the constant reporting to us every night was really unhelpful to both him and us.
I purposely didn't speak to his new teacher before he started in year 3 to see what opinion she forms of him.
He's come home today with a little card praising him on a great first week in year 3. So that's good. He's really enjoying being back and comes out buzzing every afternoon. He was picked as 'secret pupil' on Tuesday and at the end of the day had won the class a marble because he was so good.
He still can't follow more than a couple of instructions so I've been working on that. I talk him through what I want them shorten it. Teeth, tie, shoes and invariably he forgets one or ends up playing in his room.
We dropped one of his weekend activities as we realised that instead of tiring him out through fun stuff we were just constantly telling him off for messing about. Now we are trying to spend some of the day on Saturday doing fun stuff with him that we can find the positive in iykwim?
Not heard anything about the referral.

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ihavechangedmyname54321 · 10/09/2022 07:22

Thanks @CanIJustHaveAWord for coming back to me, glad to hear your DS had a good summer!

How is he in managing his frustration when he can’t do something or something goes wrong, has that improved at all?

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