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Not sure if this is normal 5 year old whose just started reception, or perhaps SEN?

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hopefulno2 · 31/10/2021 18:24

Hi there. I’m hoping that someone may have some experience similar to the one we are currently going through who may be able to help. Sorry this is a long post!

Our son, 5 next week, has just started in reception. He is one of those boys whose behaviour people have always commented on as “being something he will outgrow”. As a baby, he was a great sleeper, pretty chilled and pleasant to be around. Didn’t really make much of a fuss and got on with life. He started nursery at 7.5 months and was never sad to be dropped off and seemed very sociable. During his nursery journey he was a biter as a baby, head butter as a 1 and 2 year old. Would hit and be angry as a 3 and 4 year old. He was also very popular and loved being centre of attention. He comes across as very popular and sociable, liked by parents and teachers.

After he turned 4 the nursery recommended that he was assessed for sensory issues with vestibular and propreceptive. They found he was often aggressive with other children and couldn’t be left unassisted. He would also get frustrated and growl and shout at others- both adults and kids. He is very confident - volunteering to do solos in the Christmas and summer music performance. He also is very advanced in language, talking in Santences from being a baby and had a reading age assessment at nursery ages 4 which out him at an ability for an 8 year old. The keyworker said he is one of the most able children they have ever seen in the last 15 years.

We had him privately assessed for sensory and then he had 9 months of OT sessions. Nursery said he responded very well and by the summer they said he was like a new child. We also found him easier to manage. He was able to listen better etc.

We had another child earlier this year which he responded to really well. He loves his brother and
Enjoys making him laugh. He has always had this unusual ‘tick’ of squeezing the baby’s hands and feet. He will do it every time he sees or walks past him.

Anyway, he has now started primary school and we have stopped the OT sessions. His teacher has said he has had a handful of off days where he seems really unsettled. But other than that he presents like all the other kids. When he is being off he wouldnt listen to the teacher and just walked off when she was trying to talk to him - this happened all day. He has also had a handful of unprovoked hitting out on other children. Most worrying though he had one day before half term where he seemed to be harassing one boy we thought was his friend and repeatedly trying to hurt and wind him up. The teacher said they were all being a bit physical at the start of reception but now 6 weeks in most have calmed down and he now is starting to stand out a little. She said again he is very liked and plays with everyone in the class.

Anyway, I’ve today taken him to a birthday party and he was acting so strange. He found the only toddler there and was squeezing her hands like he does our baby. He was also trying to lift her up and pressing her on the nose etc. She was quite scared of him. He also wasn’t interested in taking part and played on his own or was running in a slightly manic way.

Here is a list of my current observations on him. Based on this would you take him for an assessment? We could go private if needed.

  • highly advanced academically
  • appears sociable and very popular, but we aren’t sure how ‘invested’ he is in these friendships
  • he doesn’t have much regard for authority: won’t listen that well to us and occasionally his teachers too. He will behave like this also with my parents
  • he is aggressive with peers when he doesn’t get his way or wins etc. Last week he scratched my face until it bled as I asked him to turn off the tv and get dressed, although that was the first time he has ever hurt me. It’s usually a half arsed slap or punch we get
  • teacher reported seeing him so strange tick like behaviour once in the playground, where he ran past every child tapping each gently on the head. This maybe sensory seeking though
  • every day getting dressed and brushing teeth is a confrontation/battle
  • when adults or children talk to him at first he will either walk away without answering or gives a silly/nonsensical answer
  • he has a lot of energy and needs to be out of the house running around at least every day
  • he is hyper controlling and games have to be on his terms. He hates losing. Everything is a constant negotiation
  • he’s currently very obsessed with his dad
  • still has poo accidents although never at school
  • when asked to do something he doesn’t want to do - eg bath bed teeth etc - he shouts and is rude and calls us horrible names
  • is a very gifted musician and picks up instruments easily. However in his lessons he flits from song to song without much focus
  • can sit and concentrate on something he likes , eg activity book or reading. He has read all roald daal books to himself.
  • he is obsesssed with animals. Only wants to read animal books and play animal games. He wants to roll play animals all day long and tries to get friends to do this too
  • comes across quite narcissistic
  • he’s very happy to shout until he gets his own way and has occasional bad tantrums ( maybe once a month)

He also has many lovely moments, and seems to go through episodes of good and bad times. Over the summer I had both boys for four weeks and he was great. A wonderful listener and nice to be around. A few weeks ago I said to his teacher and my DH how amazed I was at how well he settled into school and how lovely he was being at home. Cue half term and it has been a living nightmare with him being rude, refusing to do things and physically attacking us with hits and scratches. I wonder if it is anxiety about school or something.

We have done a parenting course and endlessly positively praise him. We have tried reward charts but he gets disinterested in them. We do time in rather than time out where we talk calmly about his behaviour and give him lots of love, talking to him about what options to make behaviour wise next time. I’ve read all the books and tried everything from vitamins to changing his diet etc. My gut feeling is that he just isn’t like other children his age. I’d actually be relieved if he has a diagnosis as it means he isn’t just a difficult and I unlikeable child at times. I worry that as he gets older he will become more uncontrollable or hurt his brother, especially as his brother starts to exert opinions and the older child has to compromise more. I also worry about him losing friends at school or disengaging from learning. I think other parents may be starting to question if he is on the same wavelength as other kids.

What would you do? Is this just the anxiety of a boy whose just started in a two form primary, or should we talk to SENCO?

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PanicBuyingSprouts · 31/10/2021 18:52

Here is a list of my current observations on him. Based on this would you take him for an assessment? We could go private if needed

Do you mean an assessment for ASD @hopefulno2? If so, there's no need to go private as Caudwell Children do themm*. Even if you're over the income bracket fit the free service they aim to give you a diagnosis and 12 months of support following a diagnosis within 3 months.

hopefulno2 · 31/10/2021 20:34

Yes, I just wonder if he has adhd or add or something similar. I worry for him a lot

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PanicBuyingSprouts · 31/10/2021 20:54

Caudwell Children assess for ASD but I don't think they assess for ADHD so I think you'd probably have to go through your GP if you're thinking ADHD.

What does the SENCO at school think?

Tal45 · 31/10/2021 21:00

I would wait a little longer and see what happens, if it's what would have been diagnosed as Aspergers syndrome before they lumped everyone into ASD then it often becomes more apparent as they get older (mine was diagnosed just before secondary school). I would wait for the school to raise it as a problem as it will be useful to have them on board, keep talking to them and tell them everything you've said here if you haven't already. Speak to the SENCO too - although their opinion shouldn't be relied on as they are not a specialist! They may get someone in from SEND to observe him (the lady who saw my ds was brilliant). School do not need a diagnosis to put things in place to support him.

I would suspect ASD from things you have said like growling, sensory issues and obsessions with certain subjects. I wouldn't be thrown off by how popular/sociable he appears at this age.

hopefulno2 · 01/11/2021 07:39

@PanicBuyingSprouts the teacher says she is on the fence as for whether there is an issue or not. She said he has had a handful of off days but other days is totally great. She wondered if he is under stimulated. She’s going to get the senco to do an observation on him. It’s one of those things that as you say only time will tell. It doesn’t stop you worrying in there here and now though

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PanicBuyingSprouts · 01/11/2021 07:43

I would suspect ASD from things you have said like growling, sensory issues and obsessions with certain subjects. I wouldn't be thrown off by how popular/sociable he appears at this age.

I would tend to agree that from my very limited experience this sounds more like ASD to me as well.

The SN section on here is usually good with helping with things like how to get a diagnosis and how to make it work at school.

Also agree that you really need the school on board but don't necessarily have to wait for the school to approach you, there probably won't be any harm in asking for a meeting with his teacher and taking through his issues and seeing what they think about asking SENCO to have a look at him.

PanicBuyingSprouts · 01/11/2021 16:27

Sorry, think that I cross-posted with you this morning.

It's good that the SENCO are going to have a look at him but I'm not certain in the under stimulated argument.

My DS is very bright and perhaps we were lucky that school did try to give him more advanced work. Not sure what I'm saying but to go with your gut, if you think there is an underlying cause, definitely push for an assessment and don't be put off Thanks

Jafferz · 06/10/2025 10:59

I know this post is very old @hopefulno2 but your son sounds exactly like my son right now. Do you mind me asking how he is doing?

Missy09 · 08/10/2025 00:48

hopefulno2 · 31/10/2021 18:24

Hi there. I’m hoping that someone may have some experience similar to the one we are currently going through who may be able to help. Sorry this is a long post!

Our son, 5 next week, has just started in reception. He is one of those boys whose behaviour people have always commented on as “being something he will outgrow”. As a baby, he was a great sleeper, pretty chilled and pleasant to be around. Didn’t really make much of a fuss and got on with life. He started nursery at 7.5 months and was never sad to be dropped off and seemed very sociable. During his nursery journey he was a biter as a baby, head butter as a 1 and 2 year old. Would hit and be angry as a 3 and 4 year old. He was also very popular and loved being centre of attention. He comes across as very popular and sociable, liked by parents and teachers.

After he turned 4 the nursery recommended that he was assessed for sensory issues with vestibular and propreceptive. They found he was often aggressive with other children and couldn’t be left unassisted. He would also get frustrated and growl and shout at others- both adults and kids. He is very confident - volunteering to do solos in the Christmas and summer music performance. He also is very advanced in language, talking in Santences from being a baby and had a reading age assessment at nursery ages 4 which out him at an ability for an 8 year old. The keyworker said he is one of the most able children they have ever seen in the last 15 years.

We had him privately assessed for sensory and then he had 9 months of OT sessions. Nursery said he responded very well and by the summer they said he was like a new child. We also found him easier to manage. He was able to listen better etc.

We had another child earlier this year which he responded to really well. He loves his brother and
Enjoys making him laugh. He has always had this unusual ‘tick’ of squeezing the baby’s hands and feet. He will do it every time he sees or walks past him.

Anyway, he has now started primary school and we have stopped the OT sessions. His teacher has said he has had a handful of off days where he seems really unsettled. But other than that he presents like all the other kids. When he is being off he wouldnt listen to the teacher and just walked off when she was trying to talk to him - this happened all day. He has also had a handful of unprovoked hitting out on other children. Most worrying though he had one day before half term where he seemed to be harassing one boy we thought was his friend and repeatedly trying to hurt and wind him up. The teacher said they were all being a bit physical at the start of reception but now 6 weeks in most have calmed down and he now is starting to stand out a little. She said again he is very liked and plays with everyone in the class.

Anyway, I’ve today taken him to a birthday party and he was acting so strange. He found the only toddler there and was squeezing her hands like he does our baby. He was also trying to lift her up and pressing her on the nose etc. She was quite scared of him. He also wasn’t interested in taking part and played on his own or was running in a slightly manic way.

Here is a list of my current observations on him. Based on this would you take him for an assessment? We could go private if needed.

  • highly advanced academically
  • appears sociable and very popular, but we aren’t sure how ‘invested’ he is in these friendships
  • he doesn’t have much regard for authority: won’t listen that well to us and occasionally his teachers too. He will behave like this also with my parents
  • he is aggressive with peers when he doesn’t get his way or wins etc. Last week he scratched my face until it bled as I asked him to turn off the tv and get dressed, although that was the first time he has ever hurt me. It’s usually a half arsed slap or punch we get
  • teacher reported seeing him so strange tick like behaviour once in the playground, where he ran past every child tapping each gently on the head. This maybe sensory seeking though
  • every day getting dressed and brushing teeth is a confrontation/battle
  • when adults or children talk to him at first he will either walk away without answering or gives a silly/nonsensical answer
  • he has a lot of energy and needs to be out of the house running around at least every day
  • he is hyper controlling and games have to be on his terms. He hates losing. Everything is a constant negotiation
  • he’s currently very obsessed with his dad
  • still has poo accidents although never at school
  • when asked to do something he doesn’t want to do - eg bath bed teeth etc - he shouts and is rude and calls us horrible names
  • is a very gifted musician and picks up instruments easily. However in his lessons he flits from song to song without much focus
  • can sit and concentrate on something he likes , eg activity book or reading. He has read all roald daal books to himself.
  • he is obsesssed with animals. Only wants to read animal books and play animal games. He wants to roll play animals all day long and tries to get friends to do this too
  • comes across quite narcissistic
  • he’s very happy to shout until he gets his own way and has occasional bad tantrums ( maybe once a month)

He also has many lovely moments, and seems to go through episodes of good and bad times. Over the summer I had both boys for four weeks and he was great. A wonderful listener and nice to be around. A few weeks ago I said to his teacher and my DH how amazed I was at how well he settled into school and how lovely he was being at home. Cue half term and it has been a living nightmare with him being rude, refusing to do things and physically attacking us with hits and scratches. I wonder if it is anxiety about school or something.

We have done a parenting course and endlessly positively praise him. We have tried reward charts but he gets disinterested in them. We do time in rather than time out where we talk calmly about his behaviour and give him lots of love, talking to him about what options to make behaviour wise next time. I’ve read all the books and tried everything from vitamins to changing his diet etc. My gut feeling is that he just isn’t like other children his age. I’d actually be relieved if he has a diagnosis as it means he isn’t just a difficult and I unlikeable child at times. I worry that as he gets older he will become more uncontrollable or hurt his brother, especially as his brother starts to exert opinions and the older child has to compromise more. I also worry about him losing friends at school or disengaging from learning. I think other parents may be starting to question if he is on the same wavelength as other kids.

What would you do? Is this just the anxiety of a boy whose just started in a two form primary, or should we talk to SENCO?

Senco my son was very similar he now 16 and was only diagnosed a year ago ! My 3 year old son is also similar
sounds like he can’t regulate his emotions and lashes out and looks at not getting his way and a challenge
they really do get aggressive and when they can’t regulate leads to that x

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