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What do you do when all avenues have been explored and he doesn't care about consequences?

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gingercatsparky · 26/09/2021 12:20

At my wits end with Ds nearly 9. He Actively chooses to be difficult and annoy us. He enjoys it and has told us so. Over the years we have done many consequences, I am quite strict but he has become immune to this and no longer cares. There is nothing I can take away anymore. On the other hand we praise, give stars, pocket money, little treats for good behaviour but this is short lived. When he's determined to behave in a certain way there is nothing we can do or say to change it. Life is hard work ever single day. He says no to everything, answers back and is rude. Taking things away doesn't make him behave better the next time. He never learns. Rewarding and praising he is happy with at the time, asking about pocket money etc but he doesn't seem to want to earn it with behaviour. When you try and use it as a tool for prolonged good behaviour he's not bothered.

I admit I do let him wind me up and he enjoys it. We both actively try and walk away now and engage with dd and praise dd instead. When we do this though he wants to get the attention bank into him by comparing himself. But this doesn't make him change his behaviour to get the praise, rewards his sister gets. He doesn't see himself as having caused the consequences it's all us being mean to him. He argues black is white if he thought he could win.

At lot of the time parenting is down to me and there are times when I can't ignore him. Teeth needs to be cleaned, baths and homework and getting out the house. These things become hard work as he refuses. He doesn't accept things he doesn't want to do need to be done. But then we get into this continuous argument. He's not like this at school and so I know it is attention seeking and I ignore where I can. He's the kind of child who will do something purposely, looking you in the eye, when you have just told him not to several times.

He has emotional difficulties and underneath it all I think he's a scared little boy. His reactions to things aren't normal for a 9 year old. He doesn't want to do much, has tears, whining and tantrums which most nearly 9 year olds don't do anymore. He's started to do it with friends and family and it's embarrassing. We try to make him feel secure with cuddles, kisses and reassurance. It's so hard to do this though when he makes it so difficult to be around him. He is seeing a therapist which is helping him deal with his emotions and he's snaps out of these tantrums much quicker and is better at going out etc. But it hasn't helped his overall attitude or defiance. He likes being this way.

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DominicRaabsTravelAgent · 26/09/2021 14:06

Has the Therapist explored the possibility of ASD with you?

gingercatsparky · 26/09/2021 14:31

She has mentioned it and having googled it he does have traits. I think he might be on the spectrum. I don't know how you go about getting this assessed or how a diagnosis could even help him? I don't think medication would help. He's just extremely bloody minded when he wants to be. Also the fact this is only a problem at home shows me it's a choice.

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DominicRaabsTravelAgent · 26/09/2021 14:51

I think a diagnosis would help him understand why he behaves this way and help him, you and school to put strategies in place to help him. Things are only going to get worse as he gets older. I'd talk to him about being assessed.

gingercatsparky · 26/09/2021 15:39

Yes I think I will. He's fine at school, teachers and friends always express absolute surprise when I talk about it. To the outside world he is bright, funny, articulate, sociable and confident. We see the other side. His therapist puts strategies into place to help him deal with his behaviour and we follow them. He's very resistant and says he's happy the way he is. She suggested various strategies which he will not cooperate with. He has control and chooses to behave or misbehave as and when. His emotions he struggles to control, his behaviour he is in complete control and doesn't want to change it no matter how many talks, reasoning, consequences and rewards we do. I am totally at a dead end now with nowhere to go.

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GPL123 · 26/09/2021 17:58

Have a look at therapeutic parenting too. This may well help and just by altering a few ways you talk to him and deal with situations could help ease them.
Good luck!

orangetriangle · 26/09/2021 20:07

Have a look at Pathological Demand Avoidance also on autistic spectrum

gingercatsparky · 26/09/2021 20:27

@GPL123

Have a look at therapeutic parenting too. This may well help and just by altering a few ways you talk to him and deal with situations could help ease them. Good luck!
Thanks ok, will do. We do try and talk to him in different ways, it's like walking on eggshells constantly discussing with DH how to approach things and trying to choose your words carefully. I am exhausted
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