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Milk Vs Food

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AVC94 · 29/04/2021 21:21

Hi!
I apologise that this is going to be a really long one...
My son has always required a vast amount of milk. I breastfed him and he was attached to me literally 24 hours a day. He would fall asleep and if I put him down he would scream. He was weighed and was gaining less than the minimum amount (despite always being at the breast). HV said that him screaming when being put down was his way of telling me he is hungry and he was only falling asleep to conserve energy. After 3 weeks it was diagnosed that he had a tongue restriction. This was cut and I was told he should gain full function of his tounge within 2 weeks, but he didn't. He had blisters on his lips from sucking round the clock and because he couldn't use his tounge, his lips were doing all the work. I started exclusively pumping as I wanted him to have breastmilk and at first it seemed like the answer, super content and slept out of my arms, but his demand for milk grew to the point that he was having up to 60ozs a day and I just wasn't producing more than that. After countless appointments in feeding clinics and doctors appointments, they told me they had nothing to suggest and that he was consuming a huge amount of milk (if we didn't give him this he screamed until he got milk, nothing sufficed). After 6 weeks of having to pump every other hour, day and night, we went over to formula and he was having 5ozs every other hour (bar from 2 feeds in the night). We got to 4 months and I was back at the feeding clinics and doctors with him, because he was literally finishing one bottle and I was making him another one. They again told me it was basically unheard of and they didn't know what to suggest. He was showing all the signs of wanting solids and we eventually decided to wean. I know it's not for everyone, but I am certain it's what he needed. His hunger eventually grew again and he was having purees 3 times a day by 6 months, plus a 6/7oz bottle every 2/3 hours. It was consistent though so we went with it. Moved over to BLW with no issues and this consisted for a couple of months. NOW, over the last month (now a little over 8 months old), he one day started putting food to his mouth, would burst out crying and drop the food. After a couple of days, I started cutting his food up into bite size pieces, in case his teeth were maybe sore and he started eating again, a couple of days later his food intake started to decrease and he was reverting back to not eating and drinking tonnes of milk - Started crying every time we put him down (exactly as he did as a hungry newborn not getting enough food). After much, much, much research, I decided to start offering him food before his milk and like a miracle, he was immediatly content, dropped to 3 bottles a day (2 7ozs and 1 8oz, which I have read is just short of average for this age). As I know how important milk is, I tested my theory and offered him milk first again, which meant he didn't eat his food and became really fussy again - Definitely food first! Back to happy baby all day, eating meals and snacks, drinking the milk offered to him, but definitely not wanting more I.e. might leave half an oz. Now though he is becoming really fussy at bedtime. He has his 8ozs, goes straight to sleep, but then we are in his room every 15 or so minutes for the next couple of hours, topping him up with milk. The odd oz here and the odd half oz there... I have offered him more milk during the days, but it gets outright rejected. I have had suggestions to incorporate a bedtime weet/oatabix with a few ozs of milk, but then he will not drink his bottle and if he has had his bottle first, he won't eat the oatabix. We can't push his bedtime any later than 7pm as he is zonked by then. I'm completely out of ideas and wondered if anyone has any ideas, suggestions, similar situations? We may just need to persist, but its horrible to hear him cry, knowing it's because he is hungry.

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OpheliasCrayon · 29/04/2021 21:28

Could he have reflux? I know this may sound nuts but hear me out...
Silent reflux doesn't involve the throwing up, but it does cause babies to often drink a lot more milk than they need because the milk itself is soothing as it is good for the acid at the time. So drinking milk..happy baby. But then when they finish the bottle the milk/acid starts to reflux back up again ... So then they want another to soothe that .

Food can also be a tricky one because with silent reflux , very smooth puree works great but anything which is lumpy causes pain and it's usual for refluxy babies to not like lumps (I can't remember why though!)

I'm not saying this is definitely what's going on but it's worth looking in to.

Reflux is very under diagnosed - we had to fight tooth and nail with our first and ended up going privately, got meds, different baby. And then a private dietician who explained all this to me really well!

AVC94 · 29/04/2021 21:53

Hi @OpheliasCrayon,
Thanks so much for getting back to me.
He had silent reflux as a newborn - I get this quite severe and my daughter also had it, so it wasn't a shock to us and knew the signs immediately. He had infacol and then went onto the same meds as me (Omeprazol), but I took him off of it probably around 5 months ago now and all the symptoms were gone. It might be worth trying the infacol again though, we have nothing to lose and have tonnes of it lol. He doesn't have any issues during the day though and at night he is gulping milk like he is starved! As we hand him the bottle he snatched it from us and is gulping to the point of panting and it's only after he has a minimum of 10ozs of milk, does he calm down. It has to be milk too, water he will take a sip of and get more and more upset until he is given more milk. We are starting to worry about things like diabetes or iron deficiency. I constantly dip in and out of anemia, so it's a worry.

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OpheliasCrayon · 29/04/2021 21:57

I'd try the infacol again. I found the only thing that worked was omeprazole so if you don't get anywhere I might be wanting to ask you GP for more omeprazole as it does sound very refluxy still. My DD aware as on it until 18 months.
I take it as well as it goes and if I so much as miss one dose I'm in agony. I don't actually have acid reflux I take it for other things but, I sure as anything notice the difference without
If he's drinking that much milk he won't have an iron deficiency because it has the whole amount of iron a baby needs in.
I've never been able to get either of my kids to drink water ,so I wouldn't be worried that irs just milk.

AVC94 · 29/04/2021 22:16

@OpheliasCrayon this is honestly the biggest help! I hadn't even considered it as he had been off of the meds for so long. He has definitely smelt acidy in the recent weeks, but with teeth popping through, I assumed it was related to that. Given that he is full on food, milk, water, is napping great and has teething pain relief, I had completely ran out of ideas! Thank you so much for giving me a little hope that we can find an answer.

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OpheliasCrayon · 29/04/2021 22:24

Glad to help. I hope you find answers! I had NO idea until we'd seen the private dietician that lumpy foods could cause problems. Finger foods was recommended as the best because then the food has no "texture* as it were - so it's not perfectly smooth or lumpy it's just food so they apparently do better with that. My DD wouldn't eat anything at all and I mean anything, until over age 1 when we started with finger foods and she was much happier with them
You say your boy is throwing th food and crying - could well be pain related and then the milk he wants after is soothing it.
Now I might be wrong so obviously keep an eye on things, as, as you say excessive drinking is linked to diabetes so I wouldn't want anything to be missed, but this does sound very familiar!

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