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What would you do - long, sorry. In fact essay length!

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seeker · 11/10/2007 22:08

My 11 year old dd has a best friend. I'll call her Ella. She has a 9 year old brother (Jack) Jack has real problems with controlling his anger. He's always in trouble at school, he lashes out, he has been a bully, he struggles with schoolwork, he still has tantrums, - but only at school or at home. If he comes out with us, he's fine. A handful, but manageable. His parents and the school have tried all sorts of strategies to deal with his behaviour, but nothing seems to work. He has been assessed for various special needs, but is apparantly completely NT. Anyway, on Saturday we were at a school event and he went into meltdown aand had to be taken home. On out way home I asked my dd if she had any insight into his behaviour. Without pausing to think she said "It's all because of Ella.She's horrible to him all the time when there's nobody else there. She says she hates him all the time and that he's evil and stupid. They never make up properly when they have quarrels. I'm not surprised he's like he is"
I was amazed. This was the first time I had heard anything like this, and Jack's mother and I talk a lot. I'm pretty sure she doesn't know this either. Should I tell her? Is it useful information? And hoe do I put it? It would be possible to say that Ella was the favoured child in the family, but she does behave much better!
What would you do?

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Elasticbandstand · 11/10/2007 22:12

i can't believe it would actually be ella's falt though?
perhaps she is horrible to him but perhaps she is horrible to him when they are there too.

are you quite close to the mum
can you ask her if the 2 get on?

moodlumtheWOOOHOOHOOhoodlum · 11/10/2007 22:14

I would deffo say something. I would use the type of caveat "I thought you would want to know - its one of those really difficult things to know whether to say anything about" etc etc

Its hard though, really difficult.

seeker · 11/10/2007 22:36

I'm sure it"s not all Ella's fault - but I don't think anyone has ever considered her role in the situation. I think she is perceived as being quite long suffering - because her public behaviour is so much better than Jack's.

I am quite close to their mum, but she is quite a spiky person so I'm not absolutely sure she won't go straight to Ella all guns blazing and say "G says you're mean to Jack" And I don't want to jeapordize G and Ella's friendship which is important to both of them. G says, by the way that she has tried to stop Ella being mean to Jack but it hasn't worked.

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seeker · 12/10/2007 18:48

Or could I talk to Ella myself - or is that interfering?

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CarGirl · 12/10/2007 18:50

Could you talk to one of the teachers at the school and see what they think?

seeker · 16/10/2007 07:48

Oh bloody hell - I had the opportunity to have a word with Ella and Jack's mum on Saturday night in the context of her fretting aboutJack's behaviour. I said very gently "well, this is a thought that DD had...I wonder if it's any help...."

Now I find that the mum went home and went ballistic at Ella, told her what dd had said and Ella then went ballistic at dd and has said she never wants to see her again. DD now very upset.

Well done, seeker!

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Wisteria · 16/10/2007 08:04

, oh no Seeker, that's awful. I don't think you did anything wrong though. It's tough on your dd but she WILL get over it eventually. A very difficult situation for you and the Mum is probably in denial about her Ella as she has enough to deal with with Jack.

Ask Ella back to your house in a week or so; Ella will be missing her friend by then and her anger will have dissipated somewhat, don't leave it any longer than that though, otherwise she may have found a 'new' friend.

Tell your daughter that sometimes Mums have to make these decisions and that it was to help Jack because you felt sorry for him (as she did herself so she may understand).

seeker · 16/10/2007 08:29

Thank you - all support gratefully received! Actually, dd is being amazingly clear sighted about it. She's not upset with me - she thinks I did the right thing, but she's mustly upset with Ella's mum (they usually get on really well) and also with Ella. And sad - because it's a big row.

One of the reasons I'm upset is that I hate it when people say "Best not to get involved" and "Well, I thought [whatever] but I didn't like to say" I think you ought to be involved and I think you should try and help when you can. Serves me right, really!

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Wisteria · 16/10/2007 09:53

I still think you did the right thing, the mother is obviously on the defensive at the moment and has taken it out on her daughter, thus on you and yours but now you have planted the seed (so to speak), then she might now be more aware and notice something whereas previously she was blinkered.

I bet you one day she'll see it for herself.

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