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Arghh! Who stole my sons tiredness?

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MistressMary · 16/10/2004 22:56

Help? My babs doesnt get visited by the sandman much these days.
At ll months old,how much sleep should he get each night, very roughly.
At the moment he seems to sleep as little as us.
Once he is off all well and good, but getting him there is fun and games. Today he slept for 30 minutes and is still cruising around our lounge quite hapily thank you very much.
He has had calpol, nappy change etc...
Oh for land of nod time to reappear. Any thoughts or people with similar?

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MistressMary · 16/10/2004 22:57

My tiredness accounts for the poor typing/grammar.

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MistressMary · 19/10/2004 10:02

Anyone?

Half an hour sleep during the day and roughly 8-9 hours at night.
Last night went to bed at 7.30 early and great for us all. Woke up full of beans at 3.15 a.m.
The night before went to bed at 11.30pm, woke at 7.30. I always thought it was twelve hours at night, or is the right amount of kip?
Tired and in need of space Mistress Mary.

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spacemonkey · 19/10/2004 10:05

sorry i have no idea at all MM but didn't want you to think you were being ignored! I'm sure someone will be along with sage words soon

biketastic · 19/10/2004 10:13

i think it vaires, but i'm sure i've read that 11-13hrs overnight and 2-3 hours during the day is average.
Average is a strange term. Ny baby sleeps loads more thatn yours, so added together and divided by 2 I bet we've got the "average" sleep pattern.
Is he grumpy and difficult? does he seem excessively tired in the day and just won't sleep?

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MistressMary · 19/10/2004 11:24

He is very active and when he gets tired its quick, and I act on that, but he also fights tiredness too. I hope it's a little phase or he catches up on his shut eye soon. I account for teething etc, but it still doesn't sound an awful lots of sleep. I think he doesn't want to miss out on something? Bit like me unfortunately

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aloha · 19/10/2004 11:27

It doesn't sound enough tbh - certainly not enough for you . Do you have a nap routine? That's really important for my ds.

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MistressMary · 19/10/2004 11:45

yes, followed baby whisperer from the start and until teeth appeared all well and good.
And we have the wind down time,quiet etc, but to no avail.Even a walk out and rocking don't achieve much and he knows, I swear what we are trying to settle him to sleep.
I hope thta postig this he I mught speak to soon and he will go to sleep! I live in hope.

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MistressMary · 19/10/2004 20:14

5.20 tonight he finaaly gave in to sleep!
Did scrape half an hour,after having half his bottle.
Hope for better day tomorrow.

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MistressMary · 21/10/2004 08:31

So sorry I'm prattling on about this. He slept 14 hours that night in the end. Twenty minutes the following day and last night after 7 and a half hours sleep decided it was morning and trying to get him back to sleep not happening. I'm knackered,hubbys knackered and we don't know what to do for the best.
He eats well, thriving, calpol, water, teehing powder,calpol when we think he is in pain. not hot or too cold, nappy change. Just wants to get up and start his day. This just can't keep happening, I am keeping a sleep diary now too, to show what sleep patterns he has.

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foxinsocks · 21/10/2004 09:01

do you have set times when he sleeps? e.g. does he have an actual bedtime? The only reason I ask is that my two have always gone to bed at 7ish and thus associate the tea, last play, bath, story, bed and know exactly when they are expected to sleep.

foxinsocks · 21/10/2004 09:08

I honestly think it may be the time for you to take control of his sleeping and dictate to him when he sleeps. I know there are some children who sleep very little during the day (my nephew was like this) but I honestly do think that babies benefit from knowing when they are expected to sleep. In your shoes, I would start off trying consistent bedtime at 7 and a nap after lunch and see how it goes.

I know how debilitating it is when they don't sleep (for you I mean!).

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MistressMary · 21/10/2004 09:30

Hello, yes we do the full routine tea, bath, book and he does know the bed routing been doing it from scratch. Always ready for bed at 7, and always did go off to sleep, its just since he started teething that he has trouble and so do we, but we still perservere. When he wakes up in the night we continue with quiet time, no lights,no speaking etc. He just won't settle and we are persistent, we were settling him for a good 2 hours,and after that full out screaming.
No way is he going to sleep though.
Sorry we have followed baby whisperer as mentioned earlier and was brilliant at sleeping before the teething. Just all gone to pot now.
And w during the day settle him quietly and he fights it til he screams just gets desperately overtired instead.

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foxinsocks · 21/10/2004 09:37

oh I see! you poor thing! may be time for controlled crying though only if you want to. It may be that's he's got used to not settling himself back to sleep.

If he's getting seriously distressed, it may be worth getting gp to check his ears (is he rubbing them etc?). I once dismissed my 12 month old's crying as teething (she used to rub her ears when she was teething anyway, I'm sure it affects them) and it turned out she had an ear infection. At least if you've ruled out any health causes, you could go ahead with any other measures (like cc if you wanted).

Sorry I can't be more help.

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MistressMary · 21/10/2004 09:42

thanks ,i thought about ear infection ,doesnt rub his ears though, but will mention it to my HV though.
I think thats it he doesnt know how to settle in the night to be honest. As a baby who would be put in his cot and settle off within 20 mins and go the night to this the waking up and don't know what is meant to happen or is it he is trying us out as my Mum has just suggested on the phone? Is he pushing our buttons as such?

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foxinsocks · 21/10/2004 09:48

he probably is pushing your buttons - but it's only because their entire aim at that age is to get your attention and if he thinks he'll get it by howling, then he'll do it as long as he can! (I guess that's why cc works - it teaches them that howling in the night isn't going to get attention).

My 3 year old will still try it on after he's been ill. He had a very high temp last week and we had to go into him several times in the night to check his temp hadn't got worse. For around 2-3 nights after he was better, he tried it on (by howling, saying he needed us etc.) when he was actually fine and just seeing whether he could draw us in! Children are very clever when it comes to getting our attention in the night!

It's not your fault mistressmary - all children do this at some point, especially after they have been ill/teething.

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MistressMary · 21/10/2004 09:52

I see, CC might have to come into play then.
Roll on the teenage years when they don't want to get up at all. Thanks.

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foxinsocks · 21/10/2004 09:53

when I say pushing your buttons - all children I think have light sleeps when they stir in the night. Most will eventually put themselves back to sleep but they have to relearn this habit if something has disrupted this natural pattern (like illness/teething when they are more likely to wake up at that light sleep) and where you go in because you are rightly concerned. After this has happened a few times, when they recover, they still wake up at the light sleep and look to whatever happened before to get them back to sleep (i.e. you coming in to check they are OK, putting them in your bed because they are ill) and then, they don't try to put themselves back to sleep.

It's just a relearning of the old habit of settling. As your ds was good at this before, hopefully if you leave him for a few nights, he'll get back into the habit.

foxinsocks · 21/10/2004 09:54

oh yes, Mistressmary. But no doubt, by that point, they'll be keeping us up half the night with worry about where they are and who they're with!!

Hope it goes well - let us know how he does. Here's hoping for a good night sleep for you all!

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MistressMary · 22/10/2004 12:23

Hooray he slept for two hours yesterday afternoon and slept for 11 hours last night!
Only problem now is I have done my back in.

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