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Trouble accepting mistakes / homework grief

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DadManners · 29/02/2020 16:31

Hands up everyone who finds homework time can be a real trauma. DD (8) is attempting some new stuff in maths and hasn't quite got it yet. Not a problem as far as we're concerned as she will get there and she's pretty good at maths on the whole, but she tends to take it very badly when she gets stuff wrong. She can ask us to check her work, we can point out mistakes gently, and still she takes it badly, getting upset to the point where she's crying, wailing, shouting and generally taking anything we say in the most awkward and confrontational way possible. She has always taken it harshly when she doesn't get stuff right, despite us saying repeatedly that mistakes are all part of the learning process.

Now she won't even let me try to help - I've just been yelled at to leave her alone. She's persisting with it but sobbing and snivelling. That is distressing enough, but she also works herself up into so much of a lather that she starts breathing erratically and acting as if she's choking or going to be sick (she's even gone and fetched a bucket for the purpose). She also has a tendency to self-punish in these situations, denying herself a break or snack or whatever, but then tries to make out that these sanctions are somehow being imposed on her.

I am now sitting here a bit bemused and wondering how ever we got into this situation, where a perfectly pleasant Saturday can descend into a prolonged tantrum all because of a bit of maths homework, and any interaction just inflames things. She tends to respond the same way with anything where she thinks she's being told off or has made some kind of mistake. I also hate the thought of her whipping up into such a frenzy that she ends up losing her lunch over it (and goodness knows what we've got coming when the teenage years arrive). While she was doing the whole weird breathing/coughing/choking performance, I said that there was no point in me making her a nice dinner later (had planned one of her favourites) if she's only going to go and make herself sick. Instinct tells me that was probably not a good thing to say, and just gives her a sense of punishment to latch onto, but of course it was the frustration speaking.

Does any of this strike a chord with anyone, and if so do you have any tips? So far, the only thing that usually works is to keep clear for a bit and wait until she simmers down again, which can take a while and isn't pleasant in the meantime.

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DadManners · 29/02/2020 16:45

Update - the storm seems to have abated for now... we're on talking terms again, and she even came for a cuddle (which is usually offered but firmly rejected). Interestingly, she came specifically to ask me if she wasn't getting any dinner, so the thought must have been bothering her (bad parent... although pleased in a way if it helped her snap out of it).

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Donhill · 01/03/2020 05:08

My ds2, (now 11 and in year 7) does exactly this. Even the acting as if we are telling him off. It’s very frustrating to deal with as often we end up shouting, but only so he can hear us over his crying and only because I am trying to be firm and strong in a reassuring way, but somehow is morphs into anger just because the whole thing is so frustrating.

I don’t have any tips, but am hoping you get some responses from other people! But in my ds’s case, it clearly all stems from anxiety. He was doing his maths homework on Friday evening (under NO pressure from us, it was 8pm and the last thing I felt like doing was maths! I told him to relax and enjoy the fact that it was the start of the weekend and he had over a week until the homework was due! - but he insisted). Got totally worked up just like you describe. Didn’t vomit, but was sort of gasping and crying. In the end though, I did manage to get through to him by talking about anxiety, and how it can cause an over reaction. I gave examples of his younger brother who tantrums a lot. And pointed out how his brother reacts at level 10, over something, whereas whatever it is deserves a level 2 reaction. Basically, me waffling on (shouting at the start) about anxiety causing over reactions, mistakes being good for learning, maths getting harder as you get older so mistakes are inevitable etc etc either eventually got through to him or bored/irritated him so much that eventually it passed and then he agreed to leave it til the morning. So it sort of worked this time, but I don’t think it changed anything, so I am sure it will happen again.

DadManners · 01/03/2020 15:44

Thanks Donhill, that does indeed sound familiar. There have been instances where I've raised my voice simply to be heard, as you say, but then it has some kind of subconscious effect on me (even though I'm the one doing it!) and makes me more likely to get riled and shout in an angry way. But thanfully this time I managed to avoid that. Just seems to result in a surge of cortisol or whatever, making everyone even more on edge, but of course that's hard to think about clearly in the moment.

Anyway, thank you for posting as it does give some comfort to know we're not the only ones in this situation, although I'm sorry to see you have this to live with too (hopefully not too often).

Could be worse though - I remember the fearsome fours when DD had some ding-dongers of tantrums and would then just snap out of it and be happy as Larry while I was left reeling for a good while afterwards! Glad those days are over, but can hardly bear to think about what teenage years have in store. :/

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DadManners · 02/03/2020 10:56

Thanks Jossina. That makes interesting reading, and some of it resonates quite a bit (sadly not the 'tidy room' bit, but that's a different thread!).

I think it's easy to be too critical as a parent, and that is definitely something that bothers me, although we've never really been critical in an academic context, not least as we haven't had to be. I think we already expect a lot of children when we send them to school at such a tender age, so as long as she's ticking along fine (which she seems to be) then that's OK with me.

Where I am critical is on domestic matters, as she is one messy child. She trots around the house with toys and books and clothes, and just leaves them strewn wherever (usually where we need to walk), seemingly having absolultely no awareness of mess or concept of putting things where they belong. She's also quite a messy eater and doesn't seem to bother about that either. This is a tough one, as it really drives me mad, but I'm also conscious that I don't want to be 'on her case' all the time and constant criticism is not a good thing. She has mentioned that I'm 'always moaning' at her. Not sure if this feeds into the academic perfectionism or not. Either way, rewards & sanctions don't seem to work that well on this matter so I'm hoping she will get better with time!

That article also mentions sensitivity, and she is certainly a sensitive soul and always has been. Makes sense for that to be a factor. The point about distorted thinking is an interesting but troubling one. She does come out with stuff similar to that mentioned in the article, but it can be so silly sometimes that I question whether she really thinks that or whether she's just propelling herself in some kind of self-critical spiral. To take one of the less outlandish examples, she might say she can't do something because the teacher will shout at her, which I very much doubt would actually happen. I'm hoping it is just her way of venting rather than something she actually believes.

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pinkpajamas · 02/03/2020 13:01

Hi,
My son is 5 and I am a teacher. My son hates mistakes and like his dad enjoys everything to be predictable and "safe" It is as though he decides that before he starts whether or not he he will succeed and then does / does not engage in the task. Luckily I am able to .....

  • modify his tasks and predict where he might fail. (But I do not attempt to shelter him from mistakes as this is not normal.
  • I do lots of saying "that's normal" meaning everybody might make that mistake.
  • I also make many mistakes myself to show him everybody gets things wrong.
  • I also always try to make learning fun or reduce the bits causing worry

I think homework should not cause stress. The aim of any education system should be to get kids to love learning.

It is hard. My son suggested that I needed to go back to school to learn something..... I then had to tell him ..... But I AM a teacher!

I suggest modifying the tasks, so some form of homework gets done but without arguments.

Best of luck

DadManners · 02/03/2020 14:36

Thank you pinkpajamas, can't say it had occurred to me to try modifying the tasks. I suppose that's something we'd better discuss with the teacher so she knows what's going on... we have parents' evening coming up soon anyway.

Also, being more demonstrative of mistakes that we make as adults - that's something I will try and bear in mind.

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