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Backchat????? Help!!!!!

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czn · 08/08/2007 19:53

My ds will be 4 in September and has recently started being very cheeky. An example would be if I asked him not to pour water over his little sister's head in the bath, he will reply with "I can if I want to!" He has also been completely ignoring me and any threats of time out for the last week. (I have been sending him to his room but that doesn't seem to be working. I have also taken favourite toys away but that's not working either). He has also started being rude to his Dad and Grandad so I don't think it is just a mum thing. Please advise as I am desperate to show him that he needs to have respect for his elders.

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verysweatybetty · 08/08/2007 20:05

I have the same prob my son is also 4 next month, his favourite thing is, its mine. If i say charlie share with your brother he will reply it mine! And if i tell him to leave the kittens alone he says there mine! Also he refuses to tidy his room and says you do it! He has an answer to everything but his answer is always rude or shocking, i too am at my whits end.

Wolfgirl · 08/08/2007 20:10

OH! OH! OH! I got it the same!!!!!!!! cheeky little blighter! blimmin know-it all! Tells me what to do, in a real dominating/controlling manner - its unbelieveable what comes out of his mouth.

I can make light of it with ewes's lot, but its actually quite upsetting, becasue of course I retaliate, get aggressive and end up bickering with him. a 4 year old for goodness sake! The energy and emotion he steals from me is ridiculous - and then!!!! when he is in a 'normal happy mood' he says something like....'I love you mummy'

Aaaaarrrggghhhhhhhhhh

verysweatybetty · 08/08/2007 20:11

yeah he tells me ha loves me or comes in saying mum ive been quiet and good

Wolfgirl · 08/08/2007 20:15

doesnt cut it though sometimes, does it! just leaves you in a spin not knowing how to move forward! my eyes are still flashing fire when his mood has changed and he throws that 'I love you mummy' gem out at me, and because Im the darn grown up, I have to be the one to calm down, take it all on the ruddy chin, and say....awwrrrrr...I love you too my gorgeous boy.

Ebay! next cheap listing day, he's up! 99p starting bid, tell a few fibs no one will know till its too late! Mwahahahahaha!!!!

czn · 08/08/2007 20:16

yes! exactly the same as mine - I get loads of kisses just after he has done something wrong but just before he gets told off. At least I am not alone - I thought I was doing something to make him this way. But when and how does it get better??????? Thanks for replies.

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Nat1H · 08/08/2007 20:22

Could you try a visual approach like a star chart. If he's good (you will have to 'catch' him being good) he can have a smiley face or star on his chart. If he's naughty (keep it to answering back if this is your main problem) then he gets a sad face. Total the amounts up at the end of each day and if he has more 'good' things than 'bad' then he can have a prize eg. 2 bedtime stories instead of one (nothing that costs money, because it's a nightmare!)
Good luck
You don't say how old his sister is, but maybe she could have a star chart of her own so there's a little competition going on. This ususally works a treat!

nutcracker · 08/08/2007 20:32

LOL thank god for that, I thought I was the only one with a little boy like that.

DS cannot let me have the last word. If i say 'stop that or i will etc etc', he says 'yeah, well we'll see about that'

HonoriaGlossop · 08/08/2007 20:58

I think it helps to deal with things more directly sometimes, not just with words. For example, if you asked him not to pour water over his sister and he says I can if I want to, then deal with that immediately; lift him out and say "no, actually, you can't stay in the bath and do that". If he wants to go back in, he agrees not to do it again. Or be massively positive about it and say "Oh, you are washing your sister's hair, how helpful".

Also your role model is incredibly important at this stage. You do need to talk to them with respect and politeness even when you need to be firm with them, because they will reflect any rudeness straight back.

It's not bad for them to get the last word, IMO. You are the adult, you hold the power really and they know it; they want the last word as a way of asserting themselves as people and saving their dignity. Kids this age have a strong sense of their own dignity and it's easily wounded. Let them have the last word - just ignore them!

Don't give them the power of making you bicker with them like a kid. Ignore them, or remove yourself from the vicinity.

And I think at this stage consequences need to be absolutely immediate, and related to the problem, rather than just time out or removing toys etc.

And I wonder why you think sending him to his room isn't working - i think don't expect immediate results. If it's a sanction you want to impose, do it; don't expect him to be cowed by it every time; but if you are consistent he will respond to it eventually. And if nothing else it's genuine time out for you both. If you look at it that way, it's a success because it's time out. He will learn to change his behaviour more from your example and from being TOLD what is and isn't acceptable.

hifi · 08/08/2007 21:13

oh my god thank god im not the only one! try hard not to answer back but shes so cheeky. ignore? but my dd is getting so rude, backchat, raspberrys, big bum, contradicts everything i say. had to ask dh to come home from work early today or i would have swung for her. anything sensible can be done?

daisyandbabybootoo · 08/08/2007 21:18

Wise words from honoriaglossop, but it's easier said than done. Not wanting to dishearten all of you with four year olds but my DS is 5.5 and it just gets worse. Ignoring is the best thing IME, and being consistent in your treatment of the behaviour.

I agree not to invlove monetary incentives.....we tried that, and as soon as he got his prize his eyes were on the next one. We now have a materialistic cheeky beggar on our hands!

HonoriaGlossop · 08/08/2007 22:48

hifi I think the sensible thing is to remember to be the adult, she cannot have the power to make this drive you mad unless you give it to her.

Ignore all you possibly can but don't just ignore her for half the day, keep her distracted, busy, and just keep on talking to her in the way you want her to talk to you. Role modelling is THE big thing here, children pick up our accents, they speak english - because we do! They also pick up HOW we speak. Yes, they can be rude and annoying, that's because they are still learning the basic rules of personal interaction. We can't expect them to get it without learning. We just need to remember to show them, and tell them, how it should be done. If she's insulting to you in a really nasty way, tell her that's not how we are to eachother and if it's really beyond what you want to tolerate, time out or some consequence.

And making sure that we talk to them with respect and politeness is the biggest thing.

hifi · 09/08/2007 20:38

thanks hg i have picked up terms in her that i know are from me, its nor pleasant, she also scolds her doll sometimes,like i do to her. i have to remember shes 3.

hifi · 09/08/2007 20:39

hg whats your proffesion? just wondering because such good advice.

Wolfgirl · 09/08/2007 20:46

Yes, HG yound like nanny Jo. Very good advice, youre my best friend now

and the bit about...."They also pick up HOW we speak" --- oh yes! my DS is just a mini-me! so I guess I cant blame him for his tone and some of his cheek.

So its the man in the mirror that must change huh? Id better get started else we will have a def. clone of me before long . My old mum use to say....whats in the roots come out in the branches!

so right!

HonoriaGlossop · 10/08/2007 12:41

ooh thank you hifi and wolfgirl, don't know if you'll find this again, I've only just got back on the pc after a hectic day or two!

Glad it was some help. HiFi I work with people with mental health problems, have worked in the social care area for a good while. However i think to be honest my approach has more to do with my fantastic mum, she was and is my role model and such a thoughtful mum. Also I waited for a long time to have a child and I had lots of time looking and watching other families (enviously) and thinking "oh, I wouldn't do that" or "That's how I want to be as a mum"

Just goes to show how important us mums are I think. Gulp.

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