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Three year old threatening to tear my face off

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BillywigStings · 29/11/2018 20:30

My three year old son is normal (though generally loud and energetic) most of the time. But every now and again he has awful, awful tantrums, where he kicks off at things that would usually cause only minor irritation to him. Today, he was taking ages to eat his dinner. There were repeated warnings that we wouldn’t have time for story time at bedtime if he didn’t hurry up. Eventually I said we would only have time for one story. Finally, he finished and I asked him to undress for bedtime as usual. He started whinging and flopping around on the floor instead, and after telling him to get on with it a few times I resorted to threatening no stories at all. And then helping him undress, which is when he started little ‘test’ hits and kicks. The sort of half mischievous, not-really-sore’ lashing out he does before he really kicks off. Then he really starts, and it’s hitting and kicking and spitting on us! Hubby and I decide just to get him to bed ASAP and at first we try to calm him down and persuade him to let us brush his teeth and put his PJs on, and then we end up doing it for him while holding his hands and dodging his kicks. Finally, in his room he is spitting on the floor, kicking us and the furniture and hitting and pinching. This whole tome we have been talking calmly and trying to get him to take deep breaths and calm down. It’s not working. He tells us, in his childish voice, that he wants to tear our face and our lips and ears off, and kick our heads. He isn’t showing signs of calming. Finally, only threats of taking toys and putting them in the bin persuades him to lie down and go to sleep.

I am at a loss. Since he turned three, this behaviour started. He hasn’t even been exposed to violence of any sort, I don’t know where he gets it from. I have sought advice about his behaviour before. Yes, he may have been tired (even though there was nothing particularly tiring about his day compared to any other), and yes, maybe his anger had been building up over a few days (though again nothing particularly unusual stands out to have caused his anger). But I just don’t understand why he is being so extreme when we don’t react to his anger!? In the beginning we would get angry but he’s been having these episodes (about one or two a month) for half a year now and we have learned to stay calm.

As his behaviour is normal the rest of the time, I don’t believe he is on the autistic spectrum (which my mother suggested, as she does find him to be a bit extreme though I think she was just lucky that her own children were generally shy, quiet types), and his nursery teachers find him to be fine and have not raised any concerns, and neither does the health visitor.

So what am I doing wrong? There’s nothing going on in his life, it’s just these tantrums cropping up every month or so and as they keep continuing obviously we must be doing something wrong?! The tantrums rarely end with calming down and cuddles I might add, it’s just usually him sobbing or tantruming himself to sleep. It’s not always before bedtime either, often it’s during the day, but I make him take a nap anyway.

What can I do better? I’m in bits about this, I love him so much but he acts like a psychopath when he has these episodes and it’s really distressing

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JiltedJohnsJulie · 30/11/2018 19:05

I don’t think you’re really doing anything wrong, but personally I wouldn’t remove a child’s bedtime stories. It sounds like you have all got in a bit of a negative cycle and are feeling a bit stressed.

There’s some tips on tantrums on Ask Dr Sears and have you read Calm Parents, Happy Kids?

If his tantrums are completely out of control, it might be worth reading up on ADHD too Smile

corythatwas · 01/12/2018 10:45

I had a child with violent tantrums and she has grown up a loving and caring and sensible adult, though she does still suffer from high anxiety.

I also have a brother who had them until he was 10. Again, has grown up fine, very lovely husband and father, but the calm way my parents dealt with them must have been a major factor in this.

Children who do this ime are either traumatised, or have some kind of SN, or are quite simply naturally anxious and highly strung. Some children just are.

This is what has worked for our family in 2 generations:

*pay no attention to anything that is said during a tantrum/meltdown, any more than you would if they were delirious from a fever

*make sure they don't get to hurt themselves or anybody else- if that means restraint, make sure it is firm, gentle and safe

*I used to hold dd from the back and just keep repeating "I'm not going to let you hurt anyone, I can't let you hurt anyone"

*it helps them to feel that the adult in charge is strong enough to deal with their emotions and keep everybody safe when they can't

*don't punish afterwards for anything done during a meltdown, any more than you would if they thrashed around in a fever fit

*maintain the usual family rules and expect generally good behaviour but be on the alert for signs of meltdown and try to help them to do what they have to (humour works well with many children)

*keep their general environment as safe and reassuring as you can (so don't ever take away bedtime stories or favourite toy or anything at all that helps them to keep it together)

*don't let the sun go down over your anger: always forgive at the end of the day and have a soothing bedtime if you possibly can

once a meltdown is over, it is over*; talk about it as little as you can, don't give him the idea that the meltdowns are who he is

*accept that you can't stop a meltdown in its tracks so you may just have to ride it out

*don't give in on family rules or tiptoe around him, but equally accept that, though you may be able to distract, you can't always stop meltdowns from happening

The daughter who used to try to bite my hands through is now on medication for anxiety. She will probably battle anxiety for the rest of her life. That is who she is. But she is also the friend everybody on her course turns to when they have a problem. She is the person I can talk to about anything that worries me or makes me particularly happy. She is tremendous fun and she enjoys life more than anybody else I know. She is the person I can spend a really good day with. I don't think her early meltdowns were a sign that we had done anything massively wrong as parents. I do think the lovely adult she is now is a sign that we were right to hang in here and ride it out.

A lot of what you are doing (staying calm etc) sounds spot on. You just need to accept that you may have to do it for quite some time.

BillywigStings · 01/12/2018 20:19

Thank you so much. Very helpful to us, and good to know your daughter has turned out to be such a lovely person, gives me hope. I spoke to a lady who works at a local shop whose twins are 18 were on super nanny when they were young and clearly it didn’t help as she said to me with great sadness that she had nothing good to say about her children. I felt so bad for her family but I also felt dread that this kind of thing might happen to me.

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Kleinzeit · 02/12/2018 10:29

Cory's advice is spot-on. Try not to stress about what the things your son says, he is just saying the worst thing he knows because he is angry and frustrated, and as for "acting like a psychopath" - well he's three, you could say psychopaths act like three year olds. Smile

I spoke to a lady who works at a local shop whose twins are 18 were on super nanny when they were young and clearly it didn’t help as she said to me with great sadness that she had nothing good to say about her children.

Don't take that too seriously. Twins are extra-hard work but someone who can find nothing good to say to a stranger about her own children at 18 surely has big issues herself around parenting that a few hours with Supernanny couldn't and can't fix. Your situation sounds nothing like hers and as cory says you are doing many of the right things.

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