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Expecting an 8 year old to sleep through the night

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ChloMaloe · 14/11/2018 15:17

Is it unreasonable to expect an 8 year old to sleep through the night without getting up and waking everyone else up?

For a bit of background my DP and I have a young baby who lives with us all the time, and his DC who come and stay regularly often up to 3 nights a week. The youngest is 8 years old now and has never really slept through the night without getting up. He’s been staying with us since he was 2 along with his siblings and although he has perhaps got very slightly better he still gets up frequently through the night often waking up his siblings, and everyone else in the household. Most mornings he wakes by 5am at the latest and deliberately wakes his siblings often by yelling and then bickering which normally results in the entire household being awake. The baby actually sleeps better than the 8 year old at the moment! It’s been explained to him for years that if he wakes up he should try and go back to sleep, and if he can’t he has books to read rather than waking everyone else up but he won’t, the second he’s up he makes sure someone else is up. They get up at 7 anyway for school and he goes to bed about 8-8.30 pm when he’s with us. He permanently looks tired and is often falling asleep by 5pm but despite trying a variety of bedtimes he always gets up through the night.

He does the same at home but at home he’s allowed to play with a play station when he wakes up rather than waking everyone else up. We don’t have PlayStations or TVs in bedrooms here and don’t plan to change that anytime soon.

Is it unreasonable to expect an 8 year old to have some awareness of the fact other people are asleep and to be considerate? If it was getting up for the toilet or because there was an issue I could understand, but it’s literally every night he will get up and pick a fight with one of his siblings or just start stomping around the house and slamming doors. In general his behaviour is quite challenging anyway but at the moment the sleep is having the biggest impact on everyone else. His elder brothers behaviour is also quite challenging and when he wakes him up we literally get woken by the sound of full on scrapping and punching each other in the head. Unfortunately attempts have been made to address this but because they’re allowed to do it at home it’s very difficult to prevent it when they’re with us. Whenever they are reminded that people are sleeping or that they’re going to disturb the baby they don’t appear to care at all even when this happens at 5am repeatedly. The youngest can’t even walk up and down the stairs without stomping his feet and banging on the walls as he goes, regardless of time of day, or if he’s been told the baby is sleeping the other side of the wall he’s banging on. I should also stress that he has behaved like this for years, it’s not just since there’s been a baby here.

Is this normal? I’ve noticed that step mums often get heavily criticised on here but I am genuinely interested if this is normal behaviour, I’m not a wicked stepmother who thinks they should be seen and not heard! Would also be grateful of any advice.

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BeeMyBaby · 14/11/2018 16:11

Have you asked him what wakes him up? Maybe he has reflux or something else disturbing his sleep cycles making him wake up. He obviously does know how to be quiet if he can quietly play with his PlayStation at his mothers, he's just choosing not to with you. Can he quietly go and watch tv in the living room on his own at 5am? It doesn't sound like he's severely lacking sleep, my 8yo sleeps at about 9 and wakes up shortly after 6 so unless he wakes at 2am additionally or something similar then it sounds like he may be having enough sleep for him.

ChloMaloe · 14/11/2018 16:29

Yes he always says it’s for the toilet but he never actually goes to the toilet when he gets up I think it’s just an excuse he knows he wouldn’t be told off for. The reality is he gets up and punches one of his sleeping siblings in the head..

It’s not just at 5am though that’s just normally the time where he doesn’t go back to sleep. He’s normally up several times through the night. He would be allowed to watch tv quietly but the trouble is he won’t, he would wake everyone else up first, and he can’t even walk down the stairs without banging on our wall. I think he actually wants everyone else to be up at whatever time he gets up.

We’ve tried putting him to bed later at like 9-9.30pm and he still gets up through the night and at 5am, and still struggles to stay awake through the day.

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BeeMyBaby · 14/11/2018 21:05

Does he share a room when he's at yours? Maybe he has nightmares and wakes up scared but doesn't feel he can express his feelings so instead of cuddling up to his siblings he punches them so that he has company and is no longer alone. I say this purely because mentioning punching the wall as going downstairs would probably be something I might do if I were scared, to make noise rather than it to be silent. My dd1 is definitely still scared at night but luckily doesn't get nightmares so it's a plausible reason.

ChloMaloe · 15/11/2018 19:41

Yeah he shares a room with his brother who’s 11 and his older sister is in the room next door with us the other side. We’ve asked him before and he always says he doesn’t have nightmares but it’s a possibility. The banging on the walls he does during the day as well so I don’t think that’s through fear he just doesn’t seem to be able to help himself!

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