Need help at the minute before I flip!!!

[Nemo2007]

Ds 3 and DD1 18mths are driving me to my wits end.

Ds has become this cheeky obnoxious little git basically. He answers back, throws things, completely ignores me when I ask him not to do something, putting him in time out is accompanied by a few kicks and slaps to me. I have tried reward charts, stickers, taking things away, time out, nothing works.
I am sure it is probably age and familiarity breeds contempt etc but where do I go from here?

DD1 well what can I say, she slaps, kicks, bites and then laughs if you shout at her, say no, even time out she thinks is hilarious. You ask her to say sorry which she can and she laughs at you.

they also both hardly sleep going to bed at 7pm both are up at 5am even if I put them to bed later. Also both been waking in night past week.DS has no nap and dd1 has 20minutes.
So what do I do as I also have dd2 to contend with and can feel myself getting wotked up, cross between anger and wanting to burst into tears.

Ah Nemo, no advice, I only have one DS who sounds a bit like your DD1, laughing back at me when I try to tell him off, but am bumping this in hope someone comes to offer you some advice.

anyone

Nemo what is going on with our kids tonight is it a full moon???

Yours the same stoppin...mm maybe its the water

DS keeps woppin DD.................and she has a gob like a foghorn "stop battering meeeeeeeeeeeee"

A was funny as he kept being sly to H so she slapped him and he wsa screaming awwww she hit me..had to put them to bed at 6.30pm..pmsl

touchee H...................

Mine are now cuddled up on my bed watching shrek

nemo have your read Toddler taming by christopher green? I have just bought it and am furiously trying to read it as ds (16m) has turned into a rebellious toddler overnight
from what i can gather though it seems to be all the stuff we know. ignore 'bad' behaviour, reward good behaviour, say what you mean mean what you say. the one thing i like in it (from what i've read so far) is don't sweat the little stuff. decide what is important and the rest, turn a blind eye!
sounds good to me

For ds - maybe take bin liners, clear his room of all toys and tell him he can earn them back one at a time with good behaviour.

At 18mths it's harder because they understand and reason less. I had a playpen with very high sides when mine were little and would put them in it - no toys - and leave the room.

I have had to be very very creative in the discipline department as all the things that you would normally use, my kids didn't give a crap about. And that's how I have learned this very important thing - You don't punish a child, they do it to themselves.

So you just need to think of something they really really hate. I've said it before but it is a good example. With my ds1 it was the hoover. He hated it. Didn't care about much else, so hoover it was. Sorted.

My DS1 (2.4) is a little so-and-so. If you say to him "Right - if you do that then I'll take away X toy" he'll just give you the toy. Like he's just decided that it's worth doing the time to have the fun of committing the crime.

It's so hard to have enough imagination to think of creative punishments and rewards!

MTPW I like your thinking..
Ds isnt bothered by toys being taken away either,

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Doodle - sorry to butt in but you´re absolutely right about windy weather. I too work in a school & whenever the wind picks up the kids go barmy ...... same thing happens to the cat when the weather gets windy!!!!!

Nemo bring him round, I'll sort him out.................aunty stoppin, DS's favourite special "tea tipping" aunty

thanks all

stoppin am saving you for the ultimate threat..pmsl

Well took them out today and they actually behaved really well. I also bought some stickers and it is amazing what DS will do for a sticker!!! It is something they use in playgrouip and he loves it..lol

sorry to butt in but i thought it was just my child DS is17 months and has turned into a little sod over night everything is no or screams , throws his food started smacking my face{think i have put a stop to thatfor now}. so how do you tell a child off so young as everyone has said his not that bothered about the toys.