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Feeling sad/ worried about 3yo's 'quirks'

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User24689 · 02/08/2018 14:22

Hello everyone. I’m after some advice about my DD who is 3 next month. I will preface all of this by saying I am hugely sleep deprived thanks to 9mo DS who has woken hourly for five months so I’m not thinking completely straight at the moment. That said, I have felt there was something a bit different about DD since she was a young baby and having a second baby has made that a bit more apparent.

So, DD has always been very strongwilled - she has a strong character and this has been commented on by friends, family and daycare workers - she has been in daycare 3 days per week since 7 months.

As a baby, I felt it was really hard work to keep her entertained. She constantly sought out stimulation and would not sit in her pram, on a lap for example and observe, just constantly wriggled and reached for things. I noticed this from about a month old - she just seemed more intense than friends’ babies.

As a baby, she only wanted me to hold her. Now, at 3, there are very few people I can leave her with and when I do leave, she is very distressed. She will not talk to strangers and will look at the ground when they speak to her. Occasionally, she will just spin on her heel and face the other way when strangers try to speak to her. She also considers friends we see infrequently as strangers. I often worry people think she is really rude.

She really thrives on routine. She sleeps well, but if we take her e,g, on holiday, she really struggles with the change. Although she seems happy day to day, her behaviour worsens, we see more tantrums, and she wakes crying in the night.

If anything surprises her, even a nice surprise, it is like she doesn’t know how to react. For example, if someone gives her a present she loves, she sort of screws her face up like she’s trying to control her reaction. Later, she will tell me how much she loves xyz, but in the moment, she shys away from it. I CANNOT get her to thank people for presents, even though her manners are generally good (usually remembers please and thank you without prompting)

Tantrums - started at 10 months. Went through a phase at around 2.5 where she was having 5 or 6 major tantrums a day. Now we have maybe one a day, sometimes we get through a day without one. But they are now more intense, not just frustration but true anger is coming out. She occasionally visibly shakes with anger.

Her speech is really good. She was speaking fluently at 2.5 and chatters all day long to us at home (although we have friends who don’t realise she can speak!) She comes out with what I think are quite complex sentences (“I’d better put my wellies on today, otherwise my feet will get all soggy” was one today.) Daycare worker has said her language is very advanced and it is like talking to a little adult.

Socially however, I feel she is quite immature. She still prefers to play alongside other children and often seems to be a bit of an outsider. She likes other kids and will refer to them as friends, and they definitely seem to like her. I just feel she wouldn;t be bothered whether they were there or not (and would maybe prefer not!) She often blanks them when they speak to her.

She doesn’t seem bothered about any of her toys. She hasn’t yet got into role play type stuff - we have a toy till, market place, kitchen stuff - doesn’t play with it. She does role play with baby dolls a bit. Quite likes blocks and construction stuff. Played with her trainset once. Put together a puzzle once. Loves books. Loves cuddly toys. She either wants to be outside doing gross motor stuff, or watching TV.

She is, I feel, obsessed with TV. She would watch it all day if I let her, and would watch the same show. When it’s on, she is really hard to communicate with. It is like talking to a brick wall. So of course I limit it but really I just take her out of the house because if I try to redirect her to another activity we often have a tantrum.

She started drawing really well about a month ago, actual figures with faces and animals that you could tell what they were. I was SO impressed… but now she has gone back to scribbling and takes no pleasure in it at all… it is bizarre! If I sit down to draw with her, she just wants me to draw, and when I encourage her,she says she can’t and gets upset.

If we turn up to meet with friends and their kids and she hasn’t seen them in a while, I can see she is shy/ uncomfortable, and she will sometimes just start doing something totally random e.g. hanging off my leg and laughing, throwing herself on the floor and giggling, chucking her stuffed toy around. I often feel she is ‘odd’ in the company of other children and that other parents are thinking ‘wtf’.

This is what has prompted me to write this today- 3 weeks ago she was moved from the toddler room (0-2) to the kindy room (2-4) at daycare. They move by developmental readiness, not chronological age. I hadn’t realised, but she was the oldest in the toddler room by about 6 months. None of the other kids in there could talk. She just loved the staff and helped them with the babies and played in the sand. They had tried to move her several times and she became upset. But she now has to move because she’s way too big for that room. I was really emotional to realise that a lot of the kids in the ‘big kids’ room were quite a bit younger than her. So we transitioned her. She has screamed every morning for 3 weeks. She has started asking me if it is daycare day the night before and crying the night before. Apparently after about half an hour, she is fine and she is always very happy when I collect her. But every morning is the same. She cannot cope with this change. In 10 weeks we are moving back to the UK from overseas and I’m dreading it, purely because I’m so terrified of the effect changing her whole little world will have. I’ve decided to just pull her out of daycare because she doesn’t really need to go, it isn’t worth the stress.

I just don’t know what to ‘do’ with her to help her right now. I don’t even know what I’m asking - I suppose, does any of the above point to a problem, or is she just ‘within the range of normal’ for a 3 year old? She is so, so gorgeous and I will always love her for exactly who she is. I just often feel like she is a stranger that I don’t know how to navigate and everyone else’s kids seem so much more straightforward. Often when DS is actually sleeping, I’m just lying awake thinking about little DD :(

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AjasLipstick · 02/08/2018 14:39

Some of what you describe reminds me of my own oldest DD who is now 14.

When she was 3, her nursery staff were shocked when I told them she was very articulate as they never heard her speak. She was also silent around strangers or people who weren;t in her immediate family.

The dislike of change is also apparent as is the aetypical behaviour around presents, surprises and other people's games.

We wondered if DD was autistic but a developmental paed who assessed her at 7 said no. She was just highly sensitive and artistic.

She's 14 now as I say and she's absolutely fine. Very, very bright...very, very creative.

Her primary years were a bit tricky I won't lie. She's had issues fitting in with friends until she went to secondary and met other kids who like her, weren't typical. Her friends are a broad gang of boys and girls who are into more alternative music and computers.

Geeks....they're like slightly emo geeks.

I know that she MAY be on the spectrum but she's been thriving on it for a number of years now and has no issues going to school or fitting in any more.

We have discussed the fact that she (and me as it happens) may be on the spectrum but she doesn't want to seek a diagnoses at the moment.

With your DD, you could seek a diagnoses if you continue to experience issues with her.

I would stop worrying about moving her and as you say, pull her out of kindy now...give her a rest. Don't even talk about school in the UK at the moment.

Are you in Oz?

User24689 · 02/08/2018 14:54

Ajas thank you. Your post is very reassuring (and your DD sounds wonderful.) Really appreciate your insight.

I have considered persuing a diagnosis in future. I think it would help me to be able to say 'DD has x, so will find this challenging' etc because I feel I spend a lot of time explaining 'this is what DD is like' to confused stares!

My DH thinks she is fine. He is very bright himself and similar in a lot of ways but was apparently 'typical' as a child. He is a bit socially awkward with people he doesn't know.

Yes we are in Oz. We have decided to move back to be nearer to family support, and to support family! I think it's the right thing for sure but it's a big change for her. We want to do it now though before she starts school, as moving her then would be really hard on her.

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HairyMaclary5 · 03/08/2018 18:56

My 4 year old is very similar to this, upthewolves. Certainly the social immaturity, the advanced language, the lack of play with toys, the strong will and the love of TV! Yours is still quite young so she may grow out of a lot of these "quirks". But I understand what you mean when you say other people's kids seem more straightforward. It's hard when you see other kids getting on fine and yours are on the fringes and everything seems a battle!

User24689 · 04/08/2018 01:42

Thanks Hairy! Is your 4 year old at school yet? If so how is he getting on?

I forgot to mention in my OP that she also has some sensory issues - took us about 6 months to train her into wearing a sun hat (compulsory at daycare) and since turning 2 she has refused long sleeves. She rolls anything with sleeves up to her elbows and becomes really upset if they unroll. I insisted on a raincoat yesterday as it was pouring - she rolled it up and had her forearms out in the rain, covered in goosebumps! I was with other parents at the time and they were really confused by it. Sometimes in my own head I just go 'thats what toddlers are like' then I meet others and their parents and question everything again.

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AjasLipstick · 04/08/2018 05:30

Yes, my DD also had some sensory issues. Hated the sound of hand dryers...that's gone now though....but as a tiny child, it would cause her to run out of the toilet.

She also didn't and still doesn't like being dirty or messy.

Don't feel the need to explain ANYTHING to ANYONE OP. We're all different and if people want to wonder at your DD's rolled up arms, let them wonder.

When my DD was small, I refrained from saying things like "Oh she's a bit shy" if she didn't answer someone...I'd say "Oh she's not in a talking mood I think." and just breezily dismiss it.

It did get harder when she hit about 10-11. She had one close friend at school but didn't get lots of invitations or anything.

However, as I said, that's all changed now. She's currently out at the mall with about 4 -5 other kids from her school (her gang :) ) and later, they're all going to see a local band play.

As I mentioned, she and her friends are so pleased to have found one another. All creative, many of them a bit crackers...in the best sense of being crackers....and they're all bright and into computers, music, art, drama.

It will be ok OP. Just keep celebrating your DD's strengths and encouraging her to be herself.

If her new UK school want to assess her, perhaps let them do it so that she can access support if need be....but remember that needing support is fine. it's when there's none when it's needed that problems happen.

User24689 · 04/08/2018 05:37

Thanks so much Ajas! DD is exactly the same with hand dryers. And flushes. In fact, she won't go in public toilets in case someone else uses the hand dryer! Also hates alarms and sirens of any kind.

Your post was a great comfort, I'm glad your DD has found her tribe. There is so much to like about my DD, she has a great sense of humour for one thing and she is caring and affectionate, loves animals and loves her baby brother. I'm sure she will fine her people when she's older, it's just helping her navigate the school years i suppose, when kids are expected to just 'fit in'.

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AjasLipstick · 04/08/2018 05:54

I hate sirens too :) They actually hurt my ears.

Your DD sounds like she'll be fine to me...she sounds so like mine!

HairyMaclary5 · 04/08/2018 07:00

Oh yes, sensory issues here too - panic around sirens, dirt, different fabrics against arms etc. How do you tell when they need extra help and how do you go about getting it? As you said OP, how much is just normal behaviour at this age?

JiltedJohnsJulie · 04/08/2018 07:57

If it was me, I’d ask for her to be assessed once you’re back in the UK and have a GP sorted. If she does get a diagnosis this will hopefully give access to extra funding for her to help her at school.

User24689 · 04/08/2018 12:02

Thanks for all your advice. I think I'm just going to keep her at home with me the next few months. I'm hoping to find pt work from January so will put her in nursery then and see how we go. She is an August birthday so due to start reception next September when she will be 4 yrs and one week :-( I would like to have some support in place for her by then - or at least be able to give the school a heads up on what her challenges might be.

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JiltedJohnsJulie · 04/08/2018 14:57

I have every sympathy with you OP. My DD is an August baby too. I was really worried about sending her to primary but she seemed to respond well to the structure that school brings.

User24689 · 04/08/2018 15:07

Oh that's great to hear, thanks!

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