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Struggling to cope - is my 3.5 year old normal?

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AbbiR89 · 23/06/2018 15:26

I’m struggling so much with my 3.5 year old daughter, I don’t even know where to start.

She’s a terrible sleeper, and has been since she was 18 months. We paid a sleep consultant, which worked for all of a few nights before we were back at square one. In her own bed she wakes a couple of times a night and then for the day between 4:30-5am. So now we let her come into our bed. This really only eliminates the problem of her shouting (if we don’t go in to her she will shout for up to 2 hours.) because even in our bed she’s still awake for the day between 5-5:30am.

I’m 21 weeks pregnant and obviously only going to get bigger and need more room to sleep. My daughter is not the sort of child who can be bribed, reasoned with or persuaded. If she doesn’t want to do something, she absolutely will not do it. For example though she took very well to potty training, I was buying Disney princess pull ups until well after her third birthday because she categorically would not poo in the potty or on the toilet.

Her will is so strong I just don’t see how we can tackle these sleep problems. She has great speech so I’ve tried talking to her about the sleeping situation, but she simply says ‘I sleep in your bed because I want to.’ ‘I just don’t like my bed.’ Or she does tend to make up lies like ‘there was a scary thunderstorm.’

We’ve also tried blackout blinds, a gro clock and a reward chart - none of these worked.

Her behaviour during the day isn’t great either. Awful, screaming tantrums and often total defiance to do anything easily. I’m trying to get her to put her own shoes on because it’s becoming difficult for me to bend down but she will just scream ‘no you do it.’ Until I give in. I know the problem is that I obviously keep giving in - but when you have to be somewhere and she’s just not budging - what do people suggest I do?

She’s worse with my husband, on the days he gets up with her and let’s me have a couple of extra hours in bed, she just screams the whole time. Screams she’s hungry, screams just because.

She hates being around other children. We have very few friends but she did used to enjoy going for play dates with a girl she’s known since she was a baby. However now if we go to her house, she takes herself off to a separate room while the other children play together. When I ask her why she does that she says ‘because I like it when there’s not any people.’ I try and encourage her that the other girls are her friends but she says ‘no they’re not, I don’t have any friends ever.’ It breaks my heart and makes me so frustrated all at once.

Why can’t she just be like other children? I’d give anything for her to just show some kindness and play with others but like with anything, the more I push the issue, the more determined she becomes that she won’t make friends.

I worry how she’ll react to becoming a big sister. She seems excited but if I say anything about the baby possibly being a boy (we’ve chosen not to find out the sex.) she gets very upset and says ‘no, only a girl, if it’s a brother I want to send him back.’ I know this sounds like a lighthearted, 3 year old type of thing to say but she mixes even worse with boys and I can see her being very disappointed and disinterested if it is a boy.

I’m finding this all so difficult and so isolating. I can’t help but wish the baby I’m pregnant with will give me an easier ride, because my daughter just doesn’t make anything easy or enjoyable. All I hear from other mums is how much they enjoy this toddler stage but I want every day to be over quicker than the last.

There’s a new challenge each day. A new food she refuses to eat, a new thing to have a tantrum because of. I don’t think I’ve enjoyed being a mum for about 18 months, which sounds awful I know, but being honest about this is all that helps me. I have no real friends or anyone to talk to, and the ones I do I feel like this is too complicated for them to understand anyway.

It’s got to the point where I’m looking at autism symptoms just so that there would be some explanation, because I really don’t think her behaviour or sleeping pattern is acceptable.

I feel so desperate for help, I just don’t know where to turn.

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GlummyMummy · 23/06/2018 20:34

oh dear AbbiR, you have my sympathies!

I've been going through exactly the same with my daughter who is now 4. Terrible sleep, very strong willed and wants everything done just so, and spends a lot of time playing by herself and finds it hard to make friends.

I think the sleep issue is the main problem and all the other things may be as a result of total over-tiredness. Would your daughter have a nap? We've found with ours that it gets to the point where she is so shattered that she will fall asleep on the couch and then the next few nights her night time sleep is so much better!!

Does she go to childcare at all and if so, what is she like there?

Didn't want to read and run, just to say I found age 3 so much worse than the terrible twos!

AbbiR89 · 23/06/2018 20:45

Thank you for your reply!

Well when we used a sleep consultant she was insistent that the napping had to stop, as my daughter was still napping for an hour every day. But nap or no nap, she still wakes VERY early, so I’m not sure what to do Confused

She goes to nursery two days a week and she really enjoys it, but I know she can be clingy with the teachers. Sometimes she’ll speak about the other children but a lot of the time I ask her who she’s played with and she says ‘no-one, I just played by myself.’ Which as a mum is a pretty heartbreaking thing to hear!

I feel like this is karma because a few months ago things felt easier and I was telling everyone who’d listen that it felt like the terrible twos were finally over and we’d turned a corner - how wrong I was 🤦🏼‍♀️

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nowifi · 23/06/2018 22:00

No advice really but my DD aged 2 is the same and I'm gutted to hear it gets worse haha! She is so strong willed too. I actually cried after she went to bed tonight as she has got me at breaking point and I feel guilty for not having enough patience.

AbbiR89 · 24/06/2018 07:10

My daughters behaviour did get better around her third birthday, it’s just the last couple of months it’s really got bad again. They’re all different aren’t they so it doesn’t mean your daughter will be like mine!

Don’t worry I cry all the time haha and before I had her I thought I was quite a patient person - now I have no patience at all 😅🤷‍♀️

Strong willed girls are incredibly hard work, honestly I’ve had people with boys tell me they wouldn’t cope if they had my daughter (not sure how I should take that 🤔😂) so don’t be too hard on yourself!

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hotchips · 24/06/2018 20:40

My DS nearly 4 is an early riser. He can't nap in the week because he's at school nursery, goes to bed absolutely shattered and wakes up at 5.30am. At the weekend he usually has a nap and still wakes up at 5.30am so if it was possible I'd let him nap every day. He's less ratty and it seems to have no effect on wake up time.

We've managed to get him to stay in his room til 6.30am with a gro clock. It was tough at first as he used to scream and cry and bang around, but we were militant that he couldn't leave his room until the sun came up. To the point of taking him back in dozens of time and sitting in there with him waiting. Took a couple of weeks, but now he just plays happily until the clock tells him it's time to get up so it was worth the pain.

cavycavy · 24/06/2018 22:25

I’ve joined mumsnet purely to reply to your post because I was lurking on the forums and realised you have described my 3.5yr old daughter.

Are you me?

I too am at my wits end. I dread every bedtime. I dread most mornings. I don’t really like the mother I have become.

We are going through a process of various things. I’m slightly concerned we’re being too strict, but very happy to discuss over PM?

PurpleCrazyHorse · 02/07/2018 18:57

I feel your pain too. DS is an absolute nightmare and roll on Sept when I get 3hrs a day respite when he's at nursery. I'm not enjoying being a parent at the moment either. I have zero patience and only seem to shout at both children, the oldest for the slightest thing as I (wrongly) feel that she should be old enough to make better choices but she's still a child.

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