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please could I have some opinions on this?

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wannaBeWhateverIWannaBe · 21/05/2007 18:33

This will be long so please bear with me. Have posted this in sn as wel.

A friend of mine has a friend who I vaguely know, I met her about three years ago at a toddler group, we know each other to speak to but do not see each other socially iyswim. She has a daughter who is the same age as my ds, and I?ve seen a lot more of her in the past six months or so because my friend looks after her quite regularly.

To be brutally honest, the first couple of times I saw this child I thought her behaviour was horrendous. Shouting, swearing, and being aggressive. But the more I?ve seen of her, and the more my friend has told me about her, the more I think that her behaviour is not normal. Physically she is spot on, even advanced for her age, she can climb virtually anything/can ride a bike without stabilisers (something which none of the other similar aged children I know can do), but she is very clumsy. My friend said that when riding her scooter she rode straight into a car, there was no way she could not have seen it, but she rode into it, and was unaffected, didn?t cry or anything, and when friend said ?didn?t you see that car?? she said ?yeh, I rode into it.?.

Socially and emotionally, if she doesn?t get her own way she screams, kicks, throws tantrums, shouts, shouts some more. If there are a group of children playing in the park they will all play together and she doesn?t play with them. She apparently has no friends at preschool (is in a different preschool to my ds and friend?s dd). Apparently at preschool she will not join in the activities, will not sit on carpet with other children for story to be read, and is very disruptive.

My friend has told me of some of the things she frequently does at home, she regularly draws on the walls/the windows/the carpet, she frequently trashes her bedroom, breaks all her toys, I mean literally breaks them. Recently she went into the bathroom and tipped various things all over herself/on the carpet/down the toilet, she stood at the top of the stairs with a bottle of baby locian and tipped it over her head and down the stairs.

Now I know a lot of 4 year olds, and a lot of them can be challenging, but IMO this is not normal 4 year old behaviour.

I?m concerned that this little girl has some kind of sn, but obviously I know nothing about these things so wouldn?t begin to try and say what. But I don?t know the mum well enough and tbh it?s none of my business anyway and maybe she already knows and is already getting help but hasn?t told anyone perhaps?

But what concerns me more is the attitude from other people who know this child. My friend, and another friend who also knows the mum, regularly stand in the park and talk about this little girl?s behaviour, saying how they hope she isn?t put into the same class as their children because of the way she behaves. If my friend looks after her it is blatantly obvious that she cannot stand her. She will tell her off for the slightest thing, if she comes over upset then she?s told to go off and play, the other day she did come over and say that the other children wouldn?t let her join in their game and friend said ?oh well, go and play somewhere else then.?

Now I?m really unsure as to what to say or do. I said to friends that this little girl?s behaviour isn?t normal and that I wondered if there was a more serious explanation for her behaviour, ie that she has some kind of sn. I also said that really, if she does have sn, she needs help not ridicule, and that she will have a tough enough time at school already without adults slagging her off into the bargain.

But now I don?t know if I?ve done the wrong thing perhaps. I do believe that there?s a reason for this little girl?s behaviour, but it?s really not my place to say it is it? But on the other hand I don?t think that it?s right to slag off a 4 year old child.

I feel guilty that I have perhaps branded someone?s child as having sn, but on the other hand I don?t think that other parens should make other judgements about her, so doesn?t that make me a hipocrit?

Please tell me that if this little girl has sn it will be picked up at school?

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PizPizPiz · 21/05/2007 18:41

Before looking into a pathological problem with the little girl I would try to find out how she's dealt with at home. Is she allowed to get away with her behaviour by mum and dad ?

cornsilk · 21/05/2007 18:50

If she has sn it will probably be picked up, yes. But she might be totally different at school. Could it be that she is a very bright and frustrated child who needs to be stimulated academically?

Pitchounette · 21/05/2007 19:40

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GateGipsy · 22/05/2007 14:49

First off, good for you!

I'm really surprised at this friend of your's behaviour though. Should she be looking after the child if she can't disguise her feelings better? How does the child feel, knowing that this adult doesn't like her (because she will have picked up on that)? And what if her behavioural problems are due to her parent's treating her as if they didn't like her - what must that child think of herself?

You are right. It is utterly wrong to slag off a 4 year old like that. Those other parents should be ashamed. Perhaps they need a bit of reminding that they're the adults.

My sister has a child with developmental problems, and has suffered a lot of this kind of judgemental behaviour from parents.

Do you really want to get involved? If so, then get to know the child's mother. You're right - there might be all sorts of things going on that the other parent's don't know about. And why should they? It isn't their right to know - the child's parents aren't obliged to go around telling everyone.

What my sister really wanted was simply acceptance. Yes, her son had behavioural problems and wasn't social like the other kids. He didn't have friends. But so what? All kids are different, and some are just more different than others. The amount of mothers who would think nothing of telling her, after only just meeting her and her son sometimes, that clearly her son was autistic and she should have him tested was staggering. She would just smile and say really or something like that. Why should she have to go into all the many years of therapy, behavioural psychologists (all of whom said he wasn't autistic), speech therapists etc? And yet some parents get quite angry with her, as if because she's not going 'oh really? You think so? Thank you so much, you've clearly just changed our lives etc etc'. Yes angry, if you can believe that!

So the situation could be that you meet the mother, get to know her more and she is utterly relieved to find a non-judgemental fellow mother to be friends with, and you find out more about what is going on and what it is you can do to help. And you can also then fight the girl's corner with the other parents.

Or you meet the mother, and find out that she's pretty much the same as the daughter and that rather than SN it is just personality. In which case you back away slowly, but still fight the girl's corner with the other parents because no four year old deserves to be treated or talked about that way by adults.

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