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Normally or Abnormally stubborn 5yo?

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harrisey · 09/05/2007 12:20

My ds was 5 in February. He's still at nursery, in Scotland they dont have to g to school till 5 and a half, and he's really looking forward to going after the summer. He's the middle child, we also have 2 dd's, who are 7 and 3.
Ds has always been quite single minded, but over the last few months it is starting to drive me crazy. If he has an idea in his head (like he is going swimming, for example) if we change the plan he goes ballistic, screaming and crying and falling to the ground (carefully, like, so he never hurts himself!). The same would happen if he had decided he was staying in to play with his lego and then we wanted to go swimming, or to the park. He just gets an idea in his head and if plans change he finds it hard to cope.
If I ask him to do something, he ALWAYS has to finish off whatever he was doing, even if I have asked him to stop to do something else. So if he is fiddling with a DVD box (he likes to take DVDs out of the player and put them in the box after he has watched them) and I ask him to go and get his jammies on and leave the DVD, he doesn't - he stubbornly keeps on doing what he has decided is important. It is driving me mad, I'm not sure why!
He also ignores me - well, all of us, he gets totally absorbed in what he is doing. He's certainly not got any hearing difficulties, he can hear you open a bag of crisps in another room of the house. I think some of the time it is selective deafness, his Daddy is good at that!
He socialises well, has plenty of friends, we live in an area with lots of other children and he plays in their houses, out the front of our houses on the grass, plays games with imagination in them and is very creative. He's musical and likes writing and drawing. He's very affectionate and only avoids eye contact when he knows he has done something wrong.
Lately he has started telling me (not Dad) when I do something he regards as wrong, like saying 'no' to him (totally reasonable stuff like no you had your half an hour of computer games, or no you cant have a snack its nearly teatime), and he wont just give over when we ask him to stop - he goes on and on and on. We've had to give him time out a lot recently as the answering back is rubbing off on the others.
I think he is probably just a normal 5yo, who has a stubborn streak (but then so do I and so does dh, big time), and he is starting to assert his independence. I worry that he will be awkward at school. Nursery dont have any worries, they say he can be very focussed on an activity adn not want to change but as nurseries usually have problems with children not focussing they see his concentration as a good thing!
My fear, as I have a brother with Asperger's syndrome (a stepbrother who I grew up with , actually, so no genetic relation) is that ds has a mild form of and ASD. I know I am probably being totally paranoid, dh thinks so but as I have brought it up again he told me to stick it on here in the likelyhood that you lot will tell me that I am being paranoid and obsessive!!
Please reassure me that this is normal stubborn behaviour for a little boy?

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MrsWho · 09/05/2007 12:38

It sounds very much like my dd2, I have suspected As in her in the past but she has changed quite a bit (grown up?) since starting school

Maybe its just part of him being ready for school and him trying to assert himself in view of being the middle child.

Do you have a HV that you could discuss him with?

hannahsaunt · 09/05/2007 12:39

Very normal if mine are anything to go by - absolutely delightful at school and nursery, glowing reports from all adults encountered and as stubborn as the day is long with us...

costababe · 09/05/2007 12:42

Hi, my ds2 will be 5 in july, he seems to be very similar to your lo, he has to finish the thing he is doing before he will do what we want ie the jammie thing at bed time, also he argues over most disiplines and will not let up even when told repeatly to stop, we also use the time out, but now he is saying.... ok then off i go.... My ds2 is at school, we live in Spain and they go full time from 3 here, he applies himself well at school, and likes to finish tasks in order, to be honest he is doing very well at school because he is methodical about his work.
But i can sympathise as he can be really frustrating at times.

carocaro · 09/05/2007 13:45

sounds totally normal to me, DS1 was 4.5 when he started school in September and he was DESPERATE to start, he little brain and body needed the inpute so desperately, also the boundaries and the disciplne schools gives, I doubt your DS will be awkward at school, he sounds like he just needs the input, before school DS would not sit still, so five things at once, be like a bull with his steely dertermination about doing thigs, but school has taught him to concentrated, be more measured about what he does and how he does it and also to learn he can't do what he wants to do when he wants to do it all of the time. MY DS can still be like a dog with a bone and go on and on and on and on about one thing, I just ignore it now and this seems to work, although I blew my top this morning about a blinkin Power Ranger he 'needed' for school and we did not have the time to look for it (have DS2 aged 3 months). He can also be a cheeky swine saying things like 'you idiot' and 'arrrgh mummy I hate you' but then says he loves me and cuddles and makes me perfume from flowers and water in the garden. I think it is all about control and them realising their actions can create big responses and this makes them feel powerful and in control, perhaps give him a bit of power decision making eg: what do you want to do this afternoon after we have been to the shop? eg: give him some assertiveness is another way. They do drive you completely lunatic, then you worry about them all the time, mine has an eye test this aternoon as the school one said he had a big difference between his eyes, so I just feel really anxious, anyway I digress, but he sounds A OK to me, just like mine and I am sure when he starts school he will love and so will you! xxx

exbury · 09/05/2007 14:02

he sounds pretty normal to me - 5yo boys seem to take making a drama out of a crisis to an artform. DS's constant refrain ATM is 'I was just...' followed by his justification as to why he was not doing whatever he had been asked to do.

harrisey · 09/05/2007 14:29

Oh yes! The 'i was just .....' drives me nuts!

Thanks all of you for your input into this. I know deep down it is normal, but you cant help but worry!

I know I made the right decision not to send him to school last August, which I could have done. He has benefitted loads from the extra year in nursery and has great afternoons with either me or his nanny (I'm a ft student) who often has a lot more energy for him than I do.

I just wanted some reassurance and I think I have it. He's just a bl**dy-minded MAN already, jus like his father

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prettybird · 09/05/2007 14:49

My ds is "young" 6.5 year old - but sounds very like your ds. He's going thorugh a particualrly bad phase at the moment of pushing (shoving! ) boundaries. it doesn't help that both his parents are highly competitive and don't suffer fools gladly. It means we have perhpas overly high expectations - he is after all, ony 6.5! It also sometimes means that when he does get into a strop, it escalates, as neither "side" is going to back down.

Every so often I go through the same paranoia that you do - but then I remind myslef that he is apopular socibale wee boy, who, although he doesn't like his routine being altered, is very much like every other (obstreporous) wee boy.

Don't worry - I'm sure your ds is fine. One day we might even meet - and we can swap stories of irritating behavious - and also how loving and adorable they can be!

harrisey · 10/05/2007 10:26

Thanks all of you! He was a little angel last night and this morning, of course, but I'm sure tonight all will be back to 'normal'

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harrisey · 12/05/2007 21:14

Just wondered if any of the evening ladies had anything to add ....

(he was a little B* tonight when it was bedtime!!! - sleeping now but in clothes as all jammies were 'too short'). I ended up yelling at him which I dont do normally as even pjs that were too long were dismissed!!!

AAAAAArgh doing my head in!

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TenaLady · 12/05/2007 21:19

Arrgh, its normal, I expect he is a bright fella. You know the type 5 going on 50!

Sometimes hell in our house. I get told that he is not my slave and Dad gets asked 'are you deaf or something'?

But he is a likeable rogue because of his stubborness and cheeky remarks, albeit hard work to boot.

noche · 12/05/2007 21:49

It's not just boys!! My dd-aged 6-is just the same. I could scream sometimes-and frequently do BUT I try to tell myself that all this determination will do her some good in life, even if it's wearing me out right now!
I think the power issue is really true and I do try to give dd opportunities to be assertive andin control of some things, but she still tries to manipulate everything-v like her dad- and we are divorced partly because of that streak in him!!!!
However she is great at school and has lots of friends so I try not to worry.
Would also say it's v different to ASD behaviour-too aware of what thet are doing if you see what I mean!

MorocconOil · 12/05/2007 22:04

My DS who is 5 is sooooo stubborn. I know that he will always say no to what I ask him to do. I just have to find ways to manipulate the situation to get him to do what I want him to. I am hoping it is just a phase although it already seems to have been going on for a year now. He seems to be ok at school and he stayed at a friend's last night who said he was really well-behaved and very co-operative. I think it is probably boundary testing and they just need you to be firm and consistent. It wears me down though.

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