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Really need help with dd, don't know how to deal with it at all

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BLACKTUESDAY1 · 03/06/2017 09:32

My dd (14) has always been a sensitive child but did well at primary school and had friends. She has always struggled with Maths but is very artistic and her drawings are amazing.

Things have changed so much since she started high school. She has NEVER been outside the house by herself or with anyone accept an adult. She spends all her time on her Ipad drawing and has done for the last few years. Her drawings are all the same; they are characters from unusual games (Five nights at Freddy's) was the main one but there are others. They all look similar and are very unusual but very detailed. This is all she will do, over and over again and can spend all day doing this. Her personal hygiene is poor. She needs to be told to shower. She does nothing with her hair which always looks a complete mess but she won't let me help her with it and she refuses to tie it back.

We have recently returned from a week's holiday abroad. DD refused to go in the pool, never took off her hoodie or trainers even though it was very hot and did not want to do anything accept sit and draw on Ipad or paper ALL day. She quite happily sat in the room all day. She has a younger sister who swam and had fun and I remember how DD1 used to be like that.

It makes me so sad and I feel she's missing out on so much. She can often be rude to us and ignores other people who speak to her. Going out for meals was extremely hard as she hates the sound of us eating or drinking and will put her fingers in her ears and tut loudly. We found it awful while on holiday as we couldn't even enjoy a meal out with her. She has become vegetarian over the last couple of years and would only eat cheese pizza in every restaurant refusing anything else even dessert although I am certain she would have liked some. It was as though she was determined to stick to the same thing every day.

I have taken her to the GP in the past who referred her to CAMHS. They diagnosed social anxiety and started CBT with her. They ended up discharging her after a few sessions as they said she 'doesn't want to change' so the sessions wouldn't work. She is on the SEN radar at school but there is not much coming from them. Her recent school report shows her way below target for her Maths but she won't do anything to help this. She doesn't spend any time revising for exams and says she can't focus.

I have asked CAMHS if I should restrict her drawing on the Ipad in the hope that she may start to be interested in other things but they suggested I leave her to it as this is what she is happy doing. She literally does nothing else, doesn't watch TV or interact with anyone. She hates going anywhere and refuses to go to shops and doesn't like going out for meals or visiting family. She never chats to friends online or has any contacts in her phone. She tells me she has no friends at school and all the children at school annoy her. She just posts her art online for other like minded people to comment on.

We are finding it really hard to cope as a family and I have no clue how to parent her any more. I feel like taking her devices away completely just to see if eventually things will change. I really feel there may be more going on (Aspergers??) but we have never been offered a test for this and was told by the paediatrician after 5 minutes she definitely does not have this diagnosis as she made eye contact and laughed at his joke. She also hasn't always been like this (although always very sensitive but used to enjoy doing things). She used to dress up when she was younger and enjoy doing her hair. It was so different then.

Please please advise where I go from here as I literally have no idea and I feel that her life is being wasted. I do not feel that I am getting things right with her at all and our relationship at the moment is not good.

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DarkFloodRises · 03/06/2017 10:32

This sounds so hard. Sorry I don't know what to suggest, but bumping for you in case someone else can help.

BLACKTUESDAY1 · 03/06/2017 11:32

Thank you for reading and the bump. I'm feeling really sad about it all today and feel I am failing her so much but don't know how to improve things :-(

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user1486956786 · 03/06/2017 13:05

Could you enrol her in art classes? Or something similar

BLACKTUESDAY1 · 03/06/2017 14:50

Even though she is massively artistic it is only those character type drawings that she is interested in so art class wouldn't appeal. Plus she will refuse to do anything outside of the home. Thank you for the suggestion though.

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BLACKTUESDAY1 · 03/06/2017 14:50

Even though she is massively artistic it is only those character type drawings that she is interested in so art class wouldn't appeal. Plus she will refuse to do anything outside of the home. Thank you for the suggestion though.

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Kleinzeit · 03/06/2017 15:16

Hi, that sounds very difficult. But you are doing your best and not letting her down. I see that the paediatritian has dismissed an autism-spectrum condition but you are right it might be worth re-opening that possibility. Usually the assessment is multidisciplinary, perhaps starting with a developmental paediatritian but also involving some or all of a SALT, clinical psychologist, OT, and maybe others. I am assuming that the paediatritian had more to go on than just eye contact and laughing at a joke - my own DS has an Asperger's diagnosis and his very good eye contact was commented on (although in reality it comes and goes) and he has a great sense of humour - but girls can be better than boys at "masking" the signs of an ASC, they often present differently from boys, and a fourteen year old in such an unhappy situation who "doesn't want to change" could well be a sign of something worth exploring again!

To be honest there is no harm in treating her as if she has Asperger's or its newer neighbour PDA (Pathological Demand Avoidance) and seeing if it helps. Whether she has one of these conditions or not, it might help your relationship if you try to assume that her life is not being wasted, instead she is just doing as much as she can cope with right now. Many teenagers do retreat to their rooms and the virtual world against the complex demands of adolescent social life. Anxious people and Aspies often cling to routine and familiarity as a comfort. So the trick may be to get her feeling more calm and relaxed and safe before expanding her comfort zone with new locations and unfamiliar things. Try to look for little things that will bridge to her, things that she feels safe to do.

If she likes to draw games-related things on her iPad then could she be encouraged to go out with you to a computer games shop to look at them? And then come straight home? Or an exhibition of games art? My DS liked computer games and also sweets and cakes so I could encourage him for a brief trip to a shop (usually just a single shop to get him some essential item of clothing!) with either a trip to Game or a piece of cake in a cafe afterwards. Try to think of any little things that expand her horizons a tiny bit (like tea and cake in a cafe for my DS) and just be pleased if she does it and enjoys it, rather than immediately demanding something harder. If it was easy and it went well, then the next time you can add on another tiny step.

Are there more things she could do in the house, skills she could acquire without the social aspect? Like cooking? A pizza making session with just you? It's quite important that she doesn't feel compared with her younger DSis, her confidence is probably rock bottom. I would not worry too much about exams or pressure her about them. Mental health is more important than exams. Though one thing I used to do for DS was simply to sit in the room with him (in silence, with my knitting!) while he did homework. He found that helped him focus. You could offer that to your DD but let it be her decision whether she wants it or not.

Good luck Flowers

BLACKTUESDAY1 · 03/06/2017 16:38

Thank you so much for that last post. I think I do compare her to her dsis and that makes me feel awful. I just find her so hard to understand sometimes :-(. I think life is so easy with dd2 that I wish dd1 was the same and that is a truly awful way to feel. We have booked her tickets to go to a convention where people dress up. She has been to one before and loved it so I know she'll be happy about that. She really felt relaxed and happy there and I'm sure that's because she was with like minded people.

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orangetriangle · 06/06/2017 20:01

To me i think i would not be fobbed off and insist she is assessed for aspergers. You can have good eye contact and a sense if humour and have aspergers!!! Much of this sounds very like it.

CLAIREneedhelp · 06/06/2017 21:22

Would like some information please my son now 10 his behaviour is getting out of control he beats me up, swears, hits others, will not sleep much and he is that strong i am struggling. He also had problems with reading, writing and maths. When we go out in public i cant go far as i know he will kick off i just feel like a failure my other child has never been like this and he can be very loving and a lovely child but 1 min he totally fine and 1 min he flips just dont know who to turn too.

laura6032 · 08/06/2017 20:15

It sounds a bit like me when I was early teen, I became very withdrawn and introvert. Didn't go out, didn't want to do anything. I remember feeling that all my friends were growing up, and I wasn't ready or didn't want to. They were getting into makeup, clothes and boys getting hair done, and I just didn't want to, I spent all time in doors watching movies.

The more my mum got on at me, your such a pretty girl do your hair or wear this nice dress, the more it got me down. And of course I had the perfect girly girl, pretty in pink, studious big sister so I was always compared to her, but I simply had no interest in styling my hair, I liked he's no and baggy shirt or t-shirt, I did eventually rebel and went the opposite to my sis, goth! Black clothes, hair, eyes.

I did eventually find a nice group of friends into thesame the same things as me and came out the other side.

Maybe stop pushing, accept who she is, accept that being a teenager is harder for some and maybe stop trying to get her help or diagnose her with something, just be there and be let her know no matter what she chooses you proud of her xx

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