First of all, I want everyone to read these sites, and then there are my comments on the posts here.
transnightmare.weebly.com/
autogynephiliatruth.wordpress.com/
GoodyGoodyGumdrops Tue 14-Feb-17 19:13:11
“Ds "Boys can have ponytails. What you wear doesn't change who you are. I'm a boy and I like long hair and I like bright colours."
NCh "Don't you care if people think you're a girl?"
Ds shrugs. "It's silly if people mix up what you wear with what you are. It's not like my clothes are a uniform, or something."”
Sounds like you’ve got a bright kid. I have studied about the trans issue and underneath it’s really dark stuff.
“taratill Tue 14-Feb-17 20:13:36
however the fact that you call it trans nonsense in your title does worry me.”
As long as the poster was saying the trans agenda was nonsense, and not the trans persons, I don’t see what the issue is.
“RJnomore1 Tue 14-Feb-17 20:16:19
But the idea that trans is about long hair and particular colour clothes is nonsense!”
Actually today counselors are now asking children if they are interested in clothing and behavior associated with the other gender in order to determine if they are trans. And in USA in some places, they are fighting to allow anyone who “feels like a woman” access into the women’s restrooms, regardless of surgery status.
“Pleasejustgetdressed Tue 14-Feb-17 20:25:47
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what she meant. And I'm very very bored of this trans-hating fuckwittery.”
Anti trans because they are saying that supporting transgender people shouldn’t mean that kids should have to conform to gender roles?
“Ouriana Tue 14-Feb-17 20:42:42
My son is 12 and has a friend at school, a lesbian who is into anime and gaming and has been completely ostracised by most the school for refusing to admit she is trans.
Because she fits into a more traditional male gender role her refusal to trans is seen as transphobic and shes been bullied awfully for her transphobia.
Its utterly heartbreaking how confused this has all become in the minds of some young people.”
That completely stinks. They should understand that there is such a thing as a “masculine” girl or a “feminine” boy. What bothers me about the trans movement (not trans people) is that it promotes the idea that one’s genitalia and personality have to “match”. And not only that, but all too many adult transgenders (especially male to female, though not all) use the most offensive feminine personality stereotypes to make their case (ie being “submissive,” being sexually degraded, wearing makeup and high heels).
It’s as if they were saying “I feel black on the inside!” because they liked chicken and watermelon and picking cotton for and being subordinate to white people.
“tubasinthemoonlight Tue 14-Feb-17 21:10:07
I am hoping the OP did intend "trans nonsense" to be the assumption that anyone who wears clothes or has a hairstyle not normally linked with their birth gender must be trans. I would hope so because if it was intended to mean that actually being or self identifying as trans is nonsense; and/or conveying this opinion to their own children, then the OP and her child may be accused of transphobia at some point by voicing their opinion that it is "trans nonsense" to identify as the opposite gender.”
I hate to say it, but they’ll get called transphobic regardless of which way they intended the phrase to be taken.
“ChuckSnowballs Wed 15-Feb-17 08:29:17
It's quite unusual for a 10yo boy to like to have long hair in a scrunchie.
That is the crux of the issue though isn't it? Because something is seen to be unusual it is seen as an external display of gender preference. whereas it is just some people like short hair and some like long hair.
…I used to [and still do] like tools, and making stuff….Doesn't make me Trans. I was always a girl, grew up to be a female engineer and I just like those things. “
Exactly. They don’t want to acknowledge that a boy can like scrunchies without some political reason or psychological motive. They are very upset about the idea of a naturally occurring girl who likes ‘boy things’ or vice versa.
“Itwasthenandstillis Wed 15-Feb-17 09:08:44
Not related to my son but I really think something is going wrong when people are pected to label themselves as transfer because they like things that are normally associated with the other biological sex. Thee is nothing that makes a boy a girl just because he has a preference - temporary or permanent - for long hair and bright coloured clothes.”
I agree. If you pay attention you will also see that not only are males and females expected to adhere to gender roles, but also that the gender roles promote the male oppression of females. Males are supposed to be strong, unempathetic, and are gifted with things like logic, reason, and rightness and must always be listened to, and females are supposed to be weak, accommodating, etc.
“Ouriana Wed 15-Feb-17 10:52:05
The school will not help because she upsets and triggers the trans kids by not fitting in the box, making her the bully.
Everytime she explains she can wear pants, have short hair and fancy women yet still not be a man she is, without meaning too, questioning the gender narrative that the rest of the children seem to take with deathly seriousness.
Luckily shes joined a little group of friends including my ds who are more concerned with tech than people!”
Bingo. The school will unilaterally side with the trans and not the real females. Yes, it’s a good thing she’s challenging the gender roles, and the trans narrative is conservative at heart (why do you think Trans is allowed in Iran but homosexuality brings the death penalty there?)
I’m glad she joined a group of reasonable human beings, but I also have noticed that kids who can’t get along with others, because people are largely illogical and immoral, tend to burrow into subjects like technology and science – non human subjects – because they cannot, they think, get along with people. They choose the false dichotomy of “reason VS people” or “morals vs people”.
But because of this “brain drain” where intelligent people burrow into the hard sciences, the humanities are left to the devices of the unintelligent and immoral, so please encourage your kids not to totally give up on the humanities or people.
“aFullOnMonet Wed 15-Feb-17 17:47:29
I'm very glad she's found a good set of friends and good on her for resisting the push to turn trans. Sadly I know of several young adult, lesbians who have been pushed into transitioning when it was not the right path for them. The bullying is pure and simple homophobia, which is a hate crime in the eyes of the law still. It's also sexist but few people seem to care about sexism.”
Radical feminists often care about the sexism, but mainstream “feminists” don’t, or are too afraid to counter it. Yes, it’s like they are pushing gender nonconfoming people to gt surgery which means homosexuals and gender noncomforming people will be effectively sterilized.
“EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans Wed 15-Feb-17 18:13:07
It is nonsense.
Stonewall, probably the UK's best known trans campaigning organisation, now describes trans as "any person whose gender identity / expression does not conform to conventional ideas of male or female gender, or the sex they were assigned at birth."
How is that not reactionary, misogynistic nonsense?”
Not to mention the name “Stonewall” appropriates the struggle of Lesbian and Gay people. And yes, it is misogynistic. And phallocentric/phallophilic, in that natural born women are expected to accept penises into their restrooms and sexual lives. The “cotton ceiling” – an appropriation of the phrase “glass ceiling” – refers to the “struggle” of trans “women” who aren’t able to get into the pants of lesbians. The poor dears.
“GenderCriticalDad Wed 15-Feb-17 23:18:17
The plight of the young lesbian is horrific. It seems that the hate campaign against lesbians by trans activists (just google "terf is a slur" "cotton ceiling") has now entered our schools. It seems that teachers are so cowed by trans dogma that they are on the side of the bullies.
Yes I'm biased Choice, Possibilities and Who You Are.”
Great comment. I agree, “cotton ceiling” is one of the scariest pieces of sh*t I’ve seen in a while. And TERF is just the 21st century way to say “witch”, and it’s thrown towards women who say no to sleeping with men in dresses. Trans activists often scream “die in a fire” to gender critical women or even women who are frightened to be assaulted in restrooms, a direct reference to the Burning Times/witch killings. (It’s like telling Jews “gas you!”)
“EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans Thu 16-Feb-17 05:24:54
Stonewall, GLAAD in the US, PFLAG - they've all morphed from LGB to trans organisations now. As a lesbian, I've come to reluctantly recognise that Stonewall doesn't give a flying fuck about us any more.”
Have you ever read Marilyn Frye’s excellent article Lesbian Feminists and the Gay Rights Movement? www.feminist-reprise.org/docs/fryegayrights.htm
What is happening is that they don’t want to define “female” with regard to female body parts because females are oppressed because of and via our bodies and reproductive abilities, and bringing bodily issues into it puts the spotlight on why and how we’re oppressed and effectively lets the cat out of the bag and the jig will be up.
“OverthinkingSpartacus Fri 17-Feb-17 02:14:38
They've had lessons dropped and sessions with speakers discussing trans issues a few times now. They haven't been told sex can be changed, or that females have penis as I believe other schools have done though, but stereotypes have been underpinning a lot of the discussions and I think that's why she's had comments. Things like, "we knew Ben was different when he showed preference for his sisters dolls rather than his tractors" type case study stories.”
Scary shit.
“QueenOfTheSardines Sat 18-Feb-17 14:36:27
"any person whose gender identity / expression does not conform to conventional ideas of male or female gender, or the sex they were assigned at birth"
By this definition, what % of the population is not trans? The laughable thing is that 2 groups who are highly likely to be gender nonconforming, and therefore by this definition "trans" - lesbians and 2nd wave style feminists, are hated by the more vocal trans activists / groups etc and this hatred is spreading. I suppose because it's a funcamental ideology clash. The trans people (as with schoolgirl mentioned in this thread) say "You MUST be trans" and when the person says "No", they say this is transphobia and bigotry.
What will happen when the trans people come for groups who have not been expected to toe the line yet ie men inc gay men. I have heard that some gay men are starting to feel impinged upon and fucked off now. They have more of a voice than lesbians so maybe people will listen more.”
The majority of people don’t conform to their gender 100% of the time or in all areas, and many barely conform at all.
It’s not some laughable irony or accident, unfortunately, but very predictable. The reason lesbians and open minded feminists are being targeted is because this is just patriarchy in drag. Since gender roles are basically built to oppress women (you know, the ones with the vaginas and wombs), fighting gender roles means fighting that oppression patriarchists love.
the only difference between conservatives and transgenderism activists is that conservatives are worried about letting people change from oppressor to oppressed group, perhaps because they fear the lines will be blurred or that there will be a trap door in the “male” vat which will chute them into the oppressed “female” one.
Or they are afraid females will get a taste of male freedom and won’t turn back, will convert other females, and there will be no more slaves left because the slaves all stopped being “female”. This may be why there are more F to M transitions now than M to Fs. Patriarchy can afford to throw a few “faulty” males down the “female” garbage chute, especially if the available pool of submissive, giving “females” is still there. But they are threatened by a girl gaining self respect and leaving the slave pool.
And yes about them coming after gay – and maybe straight? – men now. And that will be “the line.” When MEN’s boundaries are violated, finally it will be “too much.” An interesting article is the one I listed above from Marilyn Frye. It goes over this exact subject, only it mentions gay men “crossing the line” by turning towards straight men. Male to Female “lesbians” violate only female boundaries, but homosexual men violate male boundaries (a penis in patriarchy is a weapon, remember?) and that’s the only time they give a fig.