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Please help me to help my 6YO DS

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OohMrDarcy · 08/09/2016 20:41

Hi

my DS is 6.5 (Y2 at school) and it just... so defiant.

We've had violence (lashing out when angry) issues on and off since my marriage ended two years ago, but it had really settled down since easter.

Even when not being violent he is extremely defiant at home. It isn't all the time, and a lot of the time he is a lovely kind, caring boy. But when he gets these moods - normally when I say its time to do something he doesn't want to do - he's awful.

I just don't know what to do when he's like that! An eg below:

Me - DS in two minutes it will be time for bed so your kindle will need to go off.
DS - OK
Me - Right DS, time for bed. Turn your kindle off please (this is just an example and will relate to ANYTHING he is doing when he doesn't want to do something else)
DS - Ignores me
Me - DS, I'm going to count to 10 and if your kindle isn't off, I'll be taking it away
DS - Ignores me
Me - right , you won't be playing that tomorrow now DS.
DS - Screaming "You're so mean!"
Me - Come on, up to bed (ignoring the silliness)
DS - NO
Me - DS, you can either go upstairs nicely like a big boy, or I can take you like a little boy if you can't behave
DS - Ignores me
Me -
DS - Starts screeching, might hit me, probably cry
Me -

Those nights will often end with him hitting his door or something in anger.

Tonight he was being very unkind to his older sister so I told him it wasn't nice and to apologise, which he ignored and carried on. I told him he had 3 seconds to apologise or he would be off to bed early (only 10 mins before bedtime anyway).. he ignored, so I went to pick him up calmly to take him up... he started hitting and screaming at me. Then ran off upstairs.
I followed him up and calmly explained that he had the chance to apologise but refused so he had to go to bed, I asked if he was going to get changed nicely or if he'd have to go to bed in his day clothes - he said he wasn't changing, so I turned to leave him to calm down.
At which point he whacked me over the head with a hexbug set! I admit I did the wrong thing here and lost it at him but that bloody hurt! I screamed, and shouted at him that it was a horrible thing to do - walked out shutting his door, and promptly burst into tears for 5 mins on my bed Sad
It was mostly shock. I went in once I'd calmed down but he was still being awful so I left again and went back another 5 mins later when he was sobbing that he was sorry and he didn't mean to hurt me!
There are times when he will simply refuse to do something and I have no idea at all how to make him. EG getting in the car to go somewhere - I've tried to go pick him up and put him in but he'll run off. I refuse to pay hide and seek to get him to do as he's told. I've tried the walk away thing and it eventually works sometimes, but long after it should do.

We talk about who is in charge and who makes the rules - and when he's in a defiant mood he'll say he is and no one makes his rules. Tonight he agreed that I am in charge and make the rules.

We have strategies for his anger which do help when that happens (which are why the violence is much rarer now), and we talk about how home is a place where you feel loved and safe, and I asked if he feels loved and safe (he does) and if he thought I did after that (he didn't think so). He agreed it wasn't fair etc - but the after bit is always easy, he's a clever kid - HOW do I deal with the defiance and enforce the structure and rules he needs?!

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AuntMabel · 09/09/2016 13:55

Codyking ?? My kids have different bedtimes for the same reason there are film ratings or age restrictions in playgrounds (my local park is designed for U8's) for example. Is it unfair of the BFC/local council to implement those rules?

A 15 minute staggered bedtime for children of differing ages isn't about unfairness or favouritism, it's about common sense and age appropriateness.

ChipInTheSugar · 09/09/2016 13:57

I feel your pain - we have such similar scenarios in my house with DS(7). Am currently looking at PDA diagnosis. I can give 10, 5, 2, 1 minute announcements and there is STILL a tantrum over stopping whatever he's doing.

Usually it's coming off the laptop from watching Minecraft videos that is a trigger. I now check the length of what he's watching, and tell him that he's got time for a 10 min one (or whatever) after that. Again, ask if he wants a bath or a shower to make his brain transition to what's next (although getting him out of the shower is the next battle!)

Have you tried (sorry, hate that phrase) talking to him away from that scenario to explain why you need him to do x,y,z? And then remind him of the discussion nearer the time.

cheeesecheesecheese · 09/09/2016 15:59

Got one of those at home MrDarcy, they are absolutely exhausting. Have sent you PM. Good luck!

Believeitornot · 09/09/2016 19:07

I do think you need to rethink bedtimes - not because it sets up comparisons between the siblings and adds to the rivalry. So I would make it about them going to bed at the right time for them as individuals as opposed to the eldest getting a "better" deal.
(Me and my brother didn't have different bedtimes - 2 year age gap! Surely there comes a point where they don't need different bedtimes?)

For punishments, it's a bit "one strike and you are out" as they don't work as he keeps doing them. Eg throwing his toys away if he throws them at you. A more natural consequence would be to ask him to pick it up. If he doesn't, give him a chance, then take it away for an hour. Remind him why it's going away and then when he gets it back, have a chat with him about the reason and what he should do next time.

Do you talk to him about his feelings? Eg feeling angry? He needs an outlet for expressing these emotions and you need to teach him. So with my ds we tell him to use his words when he is angry and not to lash out.

Is he always like this? What is he like at school? What's he like with his dad? Are you sure he's still over the marriage break up - he might not be.

VashtaNerada · 09/09/2016 19:12

Sounds like my kids! No advice but don't think you're the only one Flowers

MammouthTask · 09/09/2016 20:21

I agree about going to bed when that suits you.
That means dc1 and dc2 went to bed at the same time for ages but now they are 11 and 13 they gave a good 45 mins difference (dc1 now has a bedtime much closer to
Ours whereas dc2 is still going to bed at 8.30pm)

OohMrDarcy · 11/09/2016 20:12

Thanks all

I managed to avoid escalating tonight - I felt him getting ready to kick off, reworded things and managed to get him upstairs. He tried to overrule me again but I once again managed to stay ahead of the game and get him to bed without him kicking off!

Am really pleased with myself and him, and we had a chat about how much sleep his body needs etc, so if he messes around and is late going to sleep he'll have to go earlier tomorrow to catch up - that one managed to make the final transition go smoothly.

So my aim now is to be conscious of how I'm wording any instructions to him and hope that we continue to see improvements!

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MammouthTask · 11/09/2016 20:53

:) that's excellent results :)

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