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Opinions of mums with 6/7 yr olds needed please... annoyed about a friend's comment

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Lsmum · 31/01/2007 07:06

Just before Christmas, dh & I arranged a lunch at a local pub/playcentre with another couple. I've known this particular friend since we were teenagers, and now we're both married with children - I have a 6 year old ds, and she has a ds (nearly 8) and a dd (10 yrs old). I've been to this place for lunch with my playgroup friends several times before, as it has great kids' facilities (a playground, video/games room, playstation room, etc) and it gives us a chance to sit down and have a nice meal/chat while the kids play.

Anyway, she is very particular about her children - I can't think of a better way to say it, except that she's had them involved in various extra-curricular activities since they were little and now she's just pulled them out of their school and has put them into separate, more expensive schools. Her whole life seems to be about their education, their achievements, their behaviour, etc etc. I think it's great that she wants them to be the best that they can be, but they don't seem like most other children their age - they seem more reserved and a bit socially 'different' from their peers, if that makes sense.

While we were sitting at the table, we ordered our meals and then ds asked me if he could go outside to play. I said 'yes' as I assumed that my friend would also let hers do the same thing until our meals arrived. She made them both sit there at the table and not move, while ds went off and played in the play area with a bunch of other children. I could tell she didn't think this was 'right' and asked me whether I thought it was ok for him to go outside and play while we were waiting for our lunch. I said it was fine, as we'd been there before with other friends and the kids always tend to go and play while we're waiting for the food. In fact, the only time I've seen my other friends' kids sit down at the table is while they're eating, and then they go off to play again! I thought this was quite normal behaviour..

Anyway I spoke to her today and she told me that when we'd gone to lunch that day, she thought that ds had been 'all over the place' (referring to him going outside to play and then coming back inside when his lunch was ready), and that he should 'focus' more (???). In other words, sit at the table and not think about going outside to play perhaps...? I'm a bit annoyed about her comment, because ds was well-behaved the whole time we were there - he just didn't sit at the table the whole time like she thought he should. Personally I think it's quite normal for a 6 year old boy to want to go outside when there's a playground and other interesting things there. Not only that, her son is almost two years older than mine and her daughter is four years older, so obviously they would find it easier to sit there doing nothing, than my son would. As long as he's not misbehaving, I didn't think I'd done anything wrong by letting him go outside to play. What do others think? I feel a bit insulted, as I don't comment on anything she does with her children and I feel that my son was just being normal.

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harpsichordcarrier · 31/01/2007 23:56

"sitting in an 'unlady-like' way on the swing"
WTF does that mean??

Greensleeves · 31/01/2007 23:59

your friend is hatstand.

nooka · 01/02/2007 00:03

I'm with the loon assessment too. Maybe she just really didn't like the place (when we have done this with ex FIL I've noticed the food isn't great). Or maybe it's just that the age difference is too great - those places are generally orientated to smaller children who can't sit still (like any normal 6 year old!).

I wonder what she thought your ds should "focus" on? Next time why not suggest a picnic - that way there are no rules about sitting down (at least not in my family!)

myturn · 01/02/2007 00:16

Another of the 'loon' opinion.

A play centre is a place for children to play. Yes, I would expect my children (the youngest are 6 and 7 BTW) to sit at the table and eat whilst their food is there. But what is the harm in letting them play until it is served?? This is snobbish parenting IMO. She has issues and shouldn't offload them onto you. The problem is her's, not yours. Don't let it worry you.

As for not sitting in a ladylike like way? Whaaaatttt?? She is a child - not a lady. Let her be one whilst she has the chance. Stupid, stupid woman. Feel sorry for her children.

SNOWBall4girlz · 01/02/2007 00:17

I think she is a bit barking too
kids sitting while your ds plays
we go for lunch with my friend who has older children and they adore taking the little ones out on the swings etc we get to have a chat.
poor kids weird mum

hunkermunker · 01/02/2007 00:19

She sounds like a fruitcake.

Email her a link to this thread

Although if she's posting on perfectmothers.com she might email you a link to her thread called "OMG, I can't believe it, my friend lets her DS have FUN" with all the "she never does, what a dreadful mother" posts on it

Greensleeves · 01/02/2007 00:24

I wouldn't have been able to not snigger at her, I'm afraid. I find the company of people like this has the same effect on me as a fart in church - I go bright red and start giggling like a girl.

Lsmum · 01/02/2007 00:32

Lol at some of these comments

Harpsichordcarrier & myturn, I think the unlady-like thing was something to do with momentarily flashing her undies?? She (the daughter) had a skirt on and I think she accidently flashed her undies a couple of times while swinging or getting on or off the swing. She's 10 and I suppose the mother thought she might attract the attention of some weird older man or something, who knows.

Luckily the food there is quite good, if it wasn't I wouldn't have suggested going there because personally I don't like to eat in bad restaurants either. I just thought that decent food + playground + nice, casual atmosphere would make for a good place for families to have lunch. I think next time (if there is a next time) she will expect us to go somewhere more upmarket. TBH I am getting a bit weary of her different 'ways' & wonder if I should even bother with her much anymore.

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myturn · 01/02/2007 00:38

I feel weary of her and have never even met her

My dd2, 12yo, couldnt give a rats arse about flashing her undies when getting on and off swings. I'm just glad she still feels she is young enough to enjoy her youth. They have the rest of their lives to protect their dignity... let them get on with it without making them self conscious before they have to be.

ghosty · 01/02/2007 00:43

Have only read OP ...
I have a 7 year old DS who is, on the whole, a well behaved boy .... but for god's sake, expecting a child to sit and wait for lunch when there is something to do all around him is like expecting a toddler to sit in front of a piece of chocolate cake but not eat it ...!

The woman sounds mad to me and your DS sounds like a perfectly normal little boy

ghosty · 01/02/2007 00:45

Just read the 'unlady like' bit ...

A nutter of the highest order ... i feel sorry for her children!

myturn · 01/02/2007 00:49

Yep. She is a freakin' freaky freak.

Of the highest order.

Elibean · 01/02/2007 09:16

ditto Greensleeves.

snowisgone · 01/02/2007 10:08

silly women needs to chill out a bit and you are normal she is not ...silly person

ForeverBlowingBubbles · 01/02/2007 10:16

It sounds to me like she was brought up in a very strict fashion herself and possibly this is the only way she knows to bring up her own children.

She does sound like a bit of a snob though. I'm quite shocked actually, about her not wanting her kids to play in such a place before meal - how odd. And she sounds very rude, I'd give her a wide berth from now on - you don't need people criticising your choices. If she doesn't like places like that then she shouldn't have agreed to come.

ROFL at Hunkermunker's post about perfectmothers.com!

fussymummy · 01/02/2007 10:17

Does your friend also make her kids sit at the table at home and wait for her to prepare the meal????

Tell her to get real life into perspective!

My children are aged 3, 5 and 8.

I love watching them play and have fun when we're out.

So long as they sit and eat their meal nicely, then of course they should be allowed to play.

They are kids after all!!!!

You were definately correct in what you did, and if you ever meet up with her again, do exactly the same as you did this time.

TinyGang · 01/02/2007 10:18

I agree with her actually - This is my ds when we go out to eat somewhere like that.

Seriously - she shouldn't be commenting on your ds's behaviour. He sounds lovely. Who wouldn't want to go and play? That's what those places have been designed for. Agree they should sit still in a normal restaurant though. I bet her children were itching to play too.

sunnysideup · 01/02/2007 11:13

Her way of dealing with her kids is way too strict and sounds very joyless.

And feeling that SHE can crticise YOUR parenting and YOUR child who sounds completely normal and delightful, is outrageous. You can be sure that what she said to you was the sanitised version, I bet she bitched her head off to her DH and friends about you, your ds, the place you chose......Sorry to say it but I just KNOW it....I can't see a point in keeping in touch with someone like this. She will never think you are doing things right and she will never question her own (utterly crap) parenting.

yeuch.

OrmIrian · 01/02/2007 13:46

She was wrong to critisise you. It's entirely up to you. That is what those kinds of pubs are for.

But....that is why I don't go to those kinds of places now. When I go out for a meal with my kids, I want their company to chat to them and to help them to learn to behave in a certain way. We used use the Brewsters sort of places but we found that the foods was cr*p and overpriced and it was impossible to get the children to sit, act calmly and eat once the food did arrive. If all the other children are tearing around it's very hard to make your own children sit quietly. And I think she was a little mean to insist on that for her own children. And she certainly didn't have the right to comment on your acting differently.

PeachyClair · 01/02/2007 14:00

I have a 6 and a 7 year old (and a 3 yr old too)

No you're fne, your friend sounds a bit like a control freak TBH- I suspect we all know at least one, I certainly do, treats her kids like they're a cut above, denies them fun and then cticizes anyone who raises their kids differently. Bizarrely, the only friend mye x -mate has left after this sort of behaviour is a drug addicted brothel owner .

Seriously, sounds like your kids are having much more of a childhood. if you can trust them to go off and play nicely then good on you, don't give hers another thought.

saadia · 01/02/2007 14:08

haven't read the whole thing and regardless of the rights and wrongs of children sitting while waiting for dinner (BTW your ds' behaviour sounds perfectly normal, appropriate and well-mannered) I think your friend was totally out of order to criticise. She has her own way of rearing her children and she shouldn't impose it on others.

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