Are your children’s vaccines up to date?

Set a reminder

Please or to access all these features

Behaviour/development

Talk to others about child development and behaviour stages here. You can find more information on our development calendar.

10yo's behaviour seriously worrying me

12 replies

UneasyDad · 24/04/2015 18:51

I'm really worried about my 10yo son's behaviour. He's constantly argumentative and has an answer for absolutely everything, he won't take responsibility for anything, he's very immature for his age and constantly winds his 4yo brother up and belittles him at every opportunity. He often acts very "giddy" and silly and, when he's in this mood, he won't listen, won't stop, won't calm down until we reach the point where we end up removing him from the room to settle him. I'd say it was attention seeking, but he'll even act this way when we're doing one-on-one activities with him.

In some ways, I guess most people would say he sounds like a normal 10yo, but it's getting worse and its constant. He's not a bad kid, he's not usually doing anything that we'd consider to be terrible behaviour except when we ask him to stop doing something. As an example, if he's picking on his brother, we'll tell him to stop and he'll pretend he didn't hear and do it again until we reach a point of shouting or physically intervening between them. At this point he explodes with anger, tells us he hates us, that we're stupid, that it's everyone else's fault and starts kicking stuff or throwing stuff etc. He never really gets into trouble for the things that kick off these events. If he'd just stop & apologise at the first time (or even 3rd time!) of telling, he'd basically never get into real trouble. We've explained this to him over and over again for the last 5 years but he just doesn't get it. After the event, he often struggles to explain why he got into trouble in the first place and when we explain it as simply as we can he tries to "get off" on a technicality e.g. "Saying the word baby isn't a bad thing so you can't tell me off for just that".

He's fine at school, his behaviour hasn't caused problems there and he's doing very well academically so this behaviour is only with us, although they do say he needs to be a bit more mature.

Before the Easter holidays he asked for a penknife. Given that we'd has a series of run ins, I said to him that he needed to show me how responsible he could be, show some maturity etc. Fir the first week he managed 2 days (non-consecutively!) of really good behaviour, the other 5 days he spent his time being a pain so I said he'd have to do another week, which he accepted. Tonight was the night I was going to make a decision.

Both boys were playing in the back garden tonight and were bickering (10 yo disallowing a goal on a technicality, as usual) when a fight broke out so I looked through the window in time to see the 10yo pick up an aluminium broom handle and threaten to swing it at the 4yo's head. I could see him holding himself back. I went out and told him to put it down and that I never wanted to see that behaviour again, at which point he said "yeah, yeah, whatever". I told him that, as a result of this behaviour and the backchat, he'd need to wait another week for his penknife. At this he went ballistic. Screaming like a wild animal, he picked up a tricycle and made as if he was going to throw it at a window before dropping it, he was kicking everything he could see, crying and balling up his fists, tearing at his clothes just full of such rage. I can't even describe it. Even now he can't accept that what he did was even worthy of punishment.

I'm worried that he has a real problem and that we need professional help but I don't want social services involved or anything like that but we can't carry on like this, it's having a terrible effect on the family and mine and my wife's relationship plus I hate the impact it's having on the 4yo's behaviour (he's copying a few things).

Any advice would be welcome.

OP posts:
Are your children’s vaccines up to date?
Psipsina · 24/04/2015 18:57

Hi there.

I'll start by saying that there are elements of this that are normal for a boy this age, but others that sound a bit concerning.

He sounds very angry and/or frustrated. First thing I'm wondering is, is there something going on at school perhaps that he isn't telling you? Is he being teased or bullied? That needs ruling out. Sometimes they will act badly when they are having bad experiences and can't handle them in any other way.

Second thing is, you don't need to involve social services. You could speak to school or the GP and try to get a referral for a psychological assessment, usually at CAMHS, but it takes a while and you wouldn't want to bother unless you had serious concerns that were ongoing.

How long has he been behaving like this - has it sort of evolved over years or was he not concerning you until recently?

winkywinkola · 24/04/2015 19:00

My ds1 also aged 10 is like this. Simply will not cooperate. Denies he's done anything even when I've seen him injure someone with my own eyes. Then he will rage like a loon. Swear. Constant backchat and lying. It's been going on for years.

We've been referred to CAMHS. We tried a private counsellor which didn't help much.

I'd go to your GP and explain what's happening. Don't be fobbed off because he behaves well at school.

ChaiseLounger · 24/04/2015 19:06

My ds is diagnosed AS. But he has been awful recently. But I am assured by all the other school mums that their children have been totally awful too. So I think it's the norm aswell!

UneasyDad · 24/04/2015 19:08

It's been going on for years but getting worse for the last few months. He does seem to have low self-esteem at times but he swings from this to cockiness and arrogance.

He's always struggled to see himself as anything other than our equal rather than us as the parents. My wife does spoil him and lets him off with stuff too easily and as a result I tend to one down too hard on him. Again as an example, I'll ban him from using the iPad for a day but he'll play her up so much when I'm at work that she gives in and lets him have it back.

I'm not blaming my wife, by the way, we're in this together and we know we're neither of us perfect!

OP posts:
UneasyDad · 24/04/2015 19:10

The other thing I forgot to mention. He says things like "I don't want to live anymore" when he's really upset. He's done this since he was 6 or 7 and it's really upsetting to hear.

OP posts:
tomatodizzymum · 24/04/2015 19:56

I have a 12 year old and he was like that at 10, started slowly from about 8. I remember one time when my son was 10 he totally lost it, picked up a lamp and acted like he was going to throw it. I got the whole I hate you as well. Later he ran upstairs screaming about having anger issues and needing help. When he calmed down I talked to him and explained that if he really had a problem he'd have thrown the lamp, not just threatened. I know that there were at least two children in his class that had a lot of problems, anger issues and unrully behaviour at home. I never said it but I think he was copying a lot of that behaviour.

He's not like that anymore, he's developing into a great boy, so here's my advice.

Walk away when he starts all that threatening to throw stuff and grabbing himself. I used to tell mine to pull himself together and I would talk when he's calm and then just leave him to it. I tried not to shout, tried to ignore the tantrums and tried to listen. I have a house rule though, if I ever see violence then I can't listen to that persons side because they no longer have a leg to stand on, there is no excuse for violence.

When he's calm my advice is talk and most important listen. But talk it through, explain why its bad and what its doing to your relationship. If you get professional help, this is one thing they will try to encourage and recommend anyway, so doing it yourself can solve a lot of time and it can put you back in control and give him a feeling of control and understanding his emotions.

In this case for example explain why he needs to wait a week. You're not saying no, he's not loosing it completely, it's just that he has to wait a bit longer. If he can change and accept why he's in the wrong he's more likely to get the good things.
I always say to my son that it takes a lot of courage and strength to admit you're wrong or go back on a lie, but any coward can lie, threaten or hit a younger or smaller person. But also ask him to talk over why he felt the need to threaten his brother in that way, try to hear him out. If he's wrong he'll see that for himself. Talking about what you did is really good for realising where you went wrong.

I have a 12 year old and a 6 year old. Brother's can be very mean, you'd think the older one would be protective and caring but it doesn't always work out that way. My 12 year old is no angel, but he's not an adult either, little brothers can be annoying.

Also maybe spend time with him without his brother, just you and him.

Hope this helps Flowers

tomatodizzymum · 24/04/2015 20:05

The other thing I forgot to mention. He says things like "I don't want to live anymore" when he's really upset. He's done this since he was 6 or 7 and it's really upsetting to hear.

My son has said that too, for adults ears it's alarming, but from a child's mouth its not ALWAYS a concern. However it could be a sign of depression. I don't know the context said, for my son it was said in the heat of anger, I know him well and I'm a psychologist so I wasn't concerned. If its said with conviction, said frequently or if you're very concerned I would suggest chatting to your GP.

tomatodizzymum · 24/04/2015 20:12

Just want to point out that I'm in educational psychology, I don't know squat about behaviour or counseling, my advice is purely from a parental point of view, not professional. Can't stand people blabbing professional shit on the internet Smile

ChaiseLounger · 25/04/2015 08:41

I have re-read. I really don't know what to suggest because my ds is the same.
I, once he had calmed down, explain. But he just can't 'get it'. And repeating it regularly over the years is clearly pointless. But I know not what else to do.

GP and a CAMHS request, for you, I guess.

ChaiseLounger · 25/04/2015 08:42

Come on over to the SN board? The people and advice there is fab.

CamelHump · 25/04/2015 09:00

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

TheFirstOfHerName · 25/04/2015 09:15

I have a ten year old that used to be a bit like this but has improved a lot. He is the youngest, and his behaviour stemmed from frustration at not getting as much attention as he wanted. This is what worked for us:

For the anger:
"What to do when your temper flares" by Dawn Huebner

For the escalating disobedience and tendency to debate his way out of consequences:
1-2-3 magic
This involves pulling them up on the first infraction, with no discussion or debate, just "That's a 1 for rudeness. If you get to 3, you go to your room." It prevents the situation where they persistently grate at you with small annoyances until you snap and finally deliver a punishment for what seems like a minor infraction.

Also:
Try to praise him when he is behaving maturely or being kind to his brother. Try to give him opportunities to be helpful and have more responsibility. Try to give him more time and attention.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page