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3.5 year old behaviour

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alwayspressingon · 26/02/2015 13:40

please help me figure out what to do about my dds behaviour. she is incredibly clingy with me at the minute. she goes to preschool every day for 2.5 hours, and another nursery 2 afternoons a week. she is incredibly strong willed and stubborn, and has never been an easy child. when she is in the house with me, she needs continual stimulation and won't play on her own.

the problems are that she has melt downs, basically not doing what she is told, and we have these stand offs. all typical 3 year old behaviour i am sure. i deal with it by letting her cry on her own for awhile, and every couple of minutes talking to her about it to see if she is ready to cooperate, i also do positive rewards, encourage her a lot, and do sticker charts.

the preschool teacher says she is quite good (she recognises that she is not an 'easy placid' child, but she says she is overall good and she can manage her when she has her moments). However the nursery school often give a bad report - she is put in time out, she is not doing what she is told, and she is saying 'no' to everything. they said that in time out she still acts naughty, whereas when other kids are in time out, they realise they have done something wrong and act like it. they said all the other kids sit (they watch tv) but she won't sit down properly.
every day she is to go to nursery school now (she has been going about 2 years) she says she doesn't want to go, and always cries going in. it wasn't always this bad, its got worse over the past 6 months. in preschool however, she is happy to go, she is clingy sometimes but overall is happy to go in.

sorry this is so long! the nusery leaders think i should talk to the hv about her behaviour. i don't know what to do. i am thinking that yes she is very hard work, but she always has had that strong personality, and yes often i feel very stressed with her behaviour, but i do feel that i parent her effectively (even if it doesn't seem to be working - toddlers aren't suddenly going to be good as gold are they? at least i am teaching her whats right and wrong) and what else is the hv going to say? i am thinking she might just really not enjoy the nursery. they do seem to expect them to watch tv for a good while (i know they do a lot of other stuff too) and this just doesn't suit my dd, as she has never been good at sitting watching tv even in the house. she needs constant stimulation, - i know she will need to learn to sit, but is 3.5 maybe just a little too early? the nursery leaders say all the other kids do though, so its hard to know what to think. basically if she doesn't really like it (and shes been saying that for ages). im thinking she might be acting out purposefully because she doesn't like it. she said mummy don't send me back there. i could pull her out of nursery, as i do have other options, which would be difficult, but not impossible.

the problem is, if i pull her out, she might then think if she doesn't want to be somewhere, or do something, she just has to throw a few tantrums and she will get what she wants. or, i could persist with the nursery and work on her behaviour and keep talking to her and the nursery leaders and work through this. no matter what i do, i know she will never be an 'easy child'. but am i making life difficult for us both by continuing to send her to the nursery? i am very confused about what to do. what would you do?! opinions please!

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ppeatfruit · 26/02/2015 13:59

I'd take her out of nursery immediately, You haven't 'won' by listening to her, she 3 and a half fgs!! I speak as an ex E.Y. teacher C.M. and nanny. There is no way that ALL the other dcs are sitting quietly and watching T.V. at that age!! IME.It's not natural for one thing. Grin

Your clue should be in the fact that she likes pre school. I've been in some nursery classes that are not pleasant places (have you stayed with her there ?).

ppeatfruit · 26/02/2015 14:29

Sorry I meant "It's not natural" Of course!

alwayspressingon · 26/02/2015 14:37

hey ppeat. thanks for ur reply - what do you mean by you haven't 'won' sorry i just don't understand that bit.
i agree with you the more i am thinking about it. talked to mum there and she says she can mind her instead. i think i didn't listen to her basically when she said she didn't like it so many times, and now she is acting out because how else can she let me know her feelings when i won't listen? i feel really really awful now. there is a months notice i will have to pay.

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alwayspressingon · 26/02/2015 14:39

oh i get what u mean now. sorry not with it today.

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Booboostoo · 26/02/2015 15:15

It's odd that she is happy at pre-school but unhappy at nursery and it indicates that something's is wrong at nursery. Maybe the environment doesn't suit her or they have a negative attitude towards her which self-perpetuates or she's just too tired in the afternoons. If you can take her out of nursery I think it would be much better.

I have a 3.5yo and it can be really hard work, but if you can try not to think of her as a difficult child as it may colour your expectations and in turn shape some of her behaviour. One thing that works well with my DD if she's being grumpy is to ask her is she has run out of hugs and hug her into a good mood. It's a bit tricky to do because when DD is grumpy it gets my back up but if I get negative with her it all gets worse; if I can take a deep breath and give her hugs instead things get better.

alwayspressingon · 26/02/2015 15:21

booboo that is a really good way of looking at it. i have done some reading before about dds personality from dr sears, and calling her a 'spirited' child is much much better, and you are right, i need to be thinking of her in that positive way. she certainly is spirited, and is incredibly active, mischevious and full of energy. she is also highly sensitive. i think it her energy needs to be channeled in the right direction and that isn't happening at the nursery. im kicking myself for not realising all this before, i did subconsciously, but family and friends kept saying their kids were naughty too at nursery and its good for them to be going etc etc and i blocked her real feelings out. lesson to self - trust my instincts.

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ppeatfruit · 26/02/2015 15:44

Yes don't worry just remove her and you're quite right, 'trust your instincts' the mum usually knows what's right for her child Grin.

I did an afternoon's supply and 'sat in' in the morning in a nursery and was shocked at how harsh the teacher was towards little tiny ones (not for any real reasons either). Maybe a TA or someone was like that.

DaphneMoonCrane · 26/02/2015 15:46

There's a book called Raising Your Spirited Child. I found it very helpful when DS1 was the same age as your DD.

I agree it sounds like she's not happy at nursery. Two different formal settings might be a bit much at this age. If you're working and need afternoon childcare, have you thought about a childminder? They could pick DD up from preschool and then she could hang out there. It's a slightly more relaxed 'home from home' environment which she might prefer.

I certainly found 3.5 a very tricky age in terms of DS1's behaviour, but it did coincide with the arrival of DS2, which probably had something to do with it!

ppeatfruit · 26/02/2015 15:53

I like Booboos' 'running out of hugs' idea that sounds so lovely Grin

alwayspressingon · 26/02/2015 16:22

ppeat that is quite worrying. i would hate to think of people being like that towards little ones - slightly different but when i used to work in nursing homes i came across those with an awful attitude and, it makes you feel so bad - its awful to watch vulnerable members of society being treated inferior! really, all you have to do is imagine if it was your mum, dad or child, and you would do your job well.

the staff overall have seemed lovely, but then you don't know what goes on when you aren't there and obviously something is making her dislike it and act out.

a childminder is an idea i hadn't really thought of, with a bonus of hopefully her being able to pick her up from school. maybe she would be better in a home environment - im going to wait and see, i will need something for sure over the summer, whether its a nursery or a childminder. thanks everyone, im so glad i posted.

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Petallic · 26/02/2015 16:25

Maybe tiredness is also a factor? as nursery is only in the afternoon and I know both my preschoolers are harder work in the afternoon as tired by then.

ppeatfruit · 26/02/2015 16:50

You're right alwayspressing I reported it to the agency I was with but of course I don't know if they said anything to the school.

It happened more than once TBH.I always wonder why some people go in for teaching if they are just control freaks.

squiz81 · 26/02/2015 17:14

I'm quite shocked they sit them in front of a tv! Is that normal?? Seems a bit lazy on their part! I do let ds watch tv...but I wouldn't expect someone who was being paid to look after him to do that! My ds would watch TV all day if I let him, I like that he goes to pre school and it's not an option!

I would stop the nursery too. Sounds like that's the problem rather than her. I dont think she'd see it as she pulls tantrums then gets her own way (if that doesn't happen at other times) ..more like if she tells you she's not happy, you listen and act. If that makes sense, I'm not expressing myself well!

I do the hugging thing too. Helps diffuse my feelings. Harder to be angry with them when you are cuddling them, and calms my ds down too (he's 3.5 too)

hilbobaggins · 26/02/2015 17:51

Stop the nursery. All this emphasis on little 3 year olds sitting still and quietly is ridiculous. It makes me really sad on your / your dd behalf. She's 3!! Her body wants to move!

We went through this struggle with DS 2.6. He cried every day at nursery drop off and so we pulled him out and found a fantastic childminder who he's with 3 days a week. It's a lovely home environment and he actually smiles when he's going to her place! So much better for him. Look around, there are lots of options!

alwayspressingon · 26/02/2015 18:31

im so glad others think like this about the tv thing too - i thought it might just have been me - but i thought it wasn't really on to be expecting them to sit and watch tv (while leaders do their notes/preparing). i know she is a handful, but she does like and need to be moving around and be into stuff, and they need to be prepared for that. have just looked at some childminders in my area online and it looks fab - she would get to help bake, play in the garden and go on outings etc. sounds much better for her, although given her personality it will take a long while for her to feel settled.

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ppeatfruit · 26/02/2015 21:35

In school some teachers use the TV as blackmail a reward for good behaviourl but not in nursery. That's not on.

balloonsong · 02/03/2015 09:33

Never ever ever heard of a nursery where the kids are expected to sit and watch telly. I'd be livid if that happened at our nursery. Kids that age need to be running about, being read stories... they need interaction! Frankly, your nursery doesn't sound right at all. I wouldn't consider my 3.5yo DD a 'difficult child' but she does demand attention and wants to interact ALL THE TIME. Surely, EY education allows for that instead of labeling a kid 'difficult' and pushing it out.

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