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AIBU? My 18 month old DS called a nasty little boy :(

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Midorichan · 27/01/2015 12:32

I'm sitting here sobbing. I've just had to take my little boy from the soft play I went to after another mother shouted at him and called him a nasty little boy. He'd run to the gate waiting whist I paid, all excited, and he was slapping at the other children's hands through the bars laughing (he thought it was a game, he had his gloves on and wasn't trying to hurt them), then when we went in he went up the top of the soft play frame. There's a separate section with plastic sheeting, and he was on the other side facing a little boy and he was slapping at the plastic, laughing again, trying to reach the other little boy because he thought it was a game. I told him to be gentle but then the little boy, who looked to be a bit younger than my son, started to cry because my son caught him in the face. I was mortified, and told him to apologise to the little boy because he'd had made him cry (he can't talk yet so his way of "apologising" is to hug). I said he had hurt him, that's why he was crying, and he needed to be gentle. I also said I was really sorry to the mother, and she said "oh don't worry". My DS then went down the slide twice, up the top again where the other little boy was and got too rough with him trying to play, making the little boy cry. I went up there just as my son was slapping the plastic again and hit the other boy, at which point across the soft play I hear "no, I;m sorry but that's just nasty!" and up comes the same mother I apologised to. She grabbed her child, who was crying and turned to my 18 month old and called him a nasty little boy. I had been telling my son to be gentle etc at this point and look he'd made the other boy cry by the plastic hitting him, so was shocked when she said this to his face. I said to her, "he's just a little boy, he doesn't understand", and she was like "he's a nasty little boy. He was trying to hit all the other children at the gate!". I started to shake (I have mild autism and can;t take confrontation and said to her "I hope it never happens to you", to which she said "well it won't because I don't raise my children to be nasty". She then took her child down. I sat up there, wondering what to do, as i heard all the other mothers in the group going silent and this women saying what a nasty little boy my son was. I thought, I can;t stay here, and went to get my son who was in the process of trying to hug another child (he's a hugger, which is unfortunate because apparently that makes him a little weirdo according to another mother I once overheard talking about him). As I sat trying to put his shoes on, I said to the woman again who was sat there studiously ignoring me "He's just a little boy, he's just trying to play…" and she said again "he's a nasty little child", at which every single other mother there nodded. Every single one of them. They were all sat there, me on the floor in the middle, nodding at me. I was trying so hard not to cry at this point. How on earth can you get an 18 month old who can't yet talk to understand he can't play with other kids roughly? He wasn't hitting them, he doesn't shove or push or slap or bite. He likes to hug and roll around. That waving out his hands at them as play is wrong because he might hit them instead? As we went to leave, I couldn't help it, I said to her, "you're a horrible woman", and I left.

I wanted to explain to her that he has only recently started to try and physical play with other kids, that he's always been a gently little guy but as he's becoming more aware he's trying to get other kids to play with him like he does with us at home and it's not good because they might not like him because he's too strong for them. He's never hurt another child, he's never hit another child, but his brand of "playing" looks like he;s trying, if that makes sense. Am I being unreasonable? Is he a nasty little boy? What do I do?
When we've been to these things before and other kids have hit him/kicked him/bit him, the parents have apologised and I haven't been angry because like me they try and discipline and explain why it's wrong, but it's hard when he's only a year and a half old. I guess I just can't take him to soft play or toddler groups. The stress of dealing with other mothers is too much.

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justdrifting · 27/01/2015 13:51

Your little boy is normal and she was really mean.

No excuse to be nasty, but maybe her son is sensitive. From age 1-3 my DD was a complete wimp about any kid doing the slightest thing to her.

theQuibbler · 27/01/2015 13:51

Your little boy boy is fine. Unfortunately there are some nasty people out there and they can be very upsetting.

My eldest son was exactly the same as yours at that age and I can remember some silly woman being similarly unpleasant about him and I sobbed my heart out as I was so upset.

He is only tiny and will learn to be gentle as you are there to guide him. Don't stop taking him to soft play but just remember to keep close to him so you can direct his hugs and playing to make sure he is safe as well as the other children.

Brush off her comments. Easier said than done but she does not deserve another moment of your attention - spiteful does not begin to describee her.

Have a cup of tea and I hope you feel better soon. Give your lovely little one a hug :)

Midorichan · 27/01/2015 13:57

Thank you so much everyone.

This was the first time this happened, he's never been like this before which is why I wasn't up there with him straight away - he didn't hit the other boy in the face etc on purpose, he was flapping the stupid plastic sheeting and laughing thinking it was a game, which then caught the other kid. I naively thought he'd understand when I told him to be gentle, because every other time he's hugged too hard or whatever he's stopped right away and said his version of sorry to the other child and it's not happened again for weeks. When he started flapping the second time I went up there that very second, Quokka12, but by that point it had happened again, in the time it took to clamber up the steps. I was shocked and mortified because this was the first time this had happened, and not behaviour he'd ever displayed before (i.e. flapping at. He's been boisterous when playing, and too rough for kids his own age in the sense that when he hugs he pulls them over by accident, not rough as in he pushes them etc). I don't have any friends here with kids so I've never been able to talk to anyone about what to expect from toddler behaviour, but I took him to playgroup last week and another mother who's child got bitten by other said that that's just the way children are, until they're old enough to understand. It's made me realise that he's just started to play like this this week which means I can't treat him like I have been int he past few months i.e. know he's good at playing around other children, which he has been. I guess i know now that as he's changing as he gets older and because he's still too young to understand explanations and play right and wrongs I would need to be literally right on top of him the whole time in future situation to stop him touching other children.

Thank you so much for your input, I honestly appreciate it all x

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MrsTawdry · 27/01/2015 14:18

I had to be right on top of mine but it only lasted until she hit around 2 year old. As your son doesn't talk yet it's tricky because he has to be shown or restrained still. Once he gets some language in it will improve so much as he'll be able to speak as an intro to playing with others.

You will meet more Mums when he starts nursery OP....I hated this age from a social standpoint...one round of playgroups which were cliquey and softplay which I hated...and no chance to get to know anyone.

MissYamabuki · 27/01/2015 14:29

Oh OP what an upsetting incident. She was WAY out of order. I hope you will go back to soft play, have a good time with your boy and meet nicer people.

Crazyqueenofthecatladies · 28/01/2015 13:48

Oh dear, I can't bear soft play for just this reason. It splits kids into two camps, the "lively, loving, boisterous free spirited" ones and the ones that they make cry.
The first mums are mortified and the second end up getting fucked off that they spend a small fortune to watch their kid getting repeatedly happy slapped by a misunderstood gentle giant.
That mum should not have sounded off as she did, and was right to be patient the first time. But you don't know how stressed, sleep deprived she was and how many other times her kid had already been walloped. Yes she snapped and fucked up. But quite frankly the second time shouldn't have happened. You knew your kid was totally over excited from the minute he got there. How many goes would you give another kid to twang a bit of plastic into your sons face?

Gen35 · 28/01/2015 14:01

I had a dd who would deliberately slap other dc when uncertain or cross between 18 mo and 2.5 and i'd take her home if she made any moves to slap - because it's far too young for them to have any understanding that they are causing harm, so telling them not to didn't really do anything. The other woman was being u to have said that to him, thankfully he's too young to really understand.

Glossyflower · 28/01/2015 14:29

Oh bless you what a horrid thing to say about your son. Of course he's not nasty! He was just trying to play and kids that age all do things like that it's how they learn.
I haven't read all the posts on this but I suspect not one person here thinks your son is nasty.
Big big hugs and try and let it go over you. You clearly have a very loving and happy son and that is something to remember if others are mean xxx

Midorichan · 28/01/2015 14:50

Crazyqueen, your completely right, I shouldve been up there but I was very stupid and naive as before he has always played really well with other kids and stopped and apologised as soon as he got too huggy. It had never happened before, so stupidly I never thought it would. I'm a dumb fuck, I know. It all happened so fast, I gave him too much credit and was really shocked when he didn't listen so I went up there as soon as it happened the second time, telling him off as I went. I'm not the kind of mum to just leave him to it, if I'd known he wouldn't have listened I wouldn't have let him up there but idiot that I am I didn't think he wouldn't listen. Nasty learning curve. I'm not going to take him to soft play again, so at least it's not going to happen again. By the way, I'm also mother to a newborn and no matter how tired and exhausted I am I would never tell a little child how nasty they were to their face. It wouldn't even occur to me. Even if I thought it, it's a nasty bullying thing for an adult to do to a kid.

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Midorichan · 28/01/2015 15:08

It all happened within the space of literally two minutes, during which I was taking off my shoes (ready to go in with him), taking off my coat and putting down my bag, he's never done this before which is why I was a dumb fuck and thought it would be ok to watch him for a moment from the bottom of the slide. He was too over excited though, I totally misjudged it all, and then, yeah, he caught the kid in the face the second time after I told him to stop and was on my way to go in. Note to self as a first time mother - just because your child has always stopped before when told, doesn't mean they always will. He hasn't done the strong hugging for about four months or so now, and I've literally the past two weeks just started taking him to playgroups and he's been fine at them. I'm not saying he's a "misunderstood gentle giant", just that I'm a dumb fuck that overestimated her kid.

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 28/01/2015 17:42

Children change so quickly, I'm sure everyone's been caught out at one stage or another.

My ds fell off the bed when I did that classic that everyone tells you not to, leaving him on the bed, and of course, he chose to learn to roll right then.

And lots more over the years since.

So don't worry about it. Clearly the woman was rude and unpleasant to blame a baby. Yes, now you know you should have stayed closer to him, but you didn't then. And thats ok

Flowers
Midorichan · 28/01/2015 19:11

Miscellaneous, thank you - that actually made me cry (Im not usually a crying person AT ALL but have been having a tough time lately and yesterday was the last straw). I feel like such a bad parent, especially when everyone else judges you to be a bad parent because I wasn't up there with him straight away. I guess I know now he's got to the stage where I can't trust him to be on his own.

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Crazyqueenofthecatladies · 28/01/2015 19:43

We all get it wrong all the time and yep our kids love to surprise us. But be kinder to yourself and that other woman. Pre my second child I could hand on my heart guarantee I'd never have said anything as awful as that woman. And it was awful, I would hate someone to talk to my kids like that. But after having to spend 100+,days in hospital with my second, watching her in a coma on a vent, being told about damage to her heart, her lungs, her brain, watching procedure after procedure being done to her, having my marriage end, having no family around to help me during that time m'eh I cannot guarantee that on all days at all times I would have my a-grade parenting badge on. I'm truly glad for you you have the luxury of that certainty but as for me, I'm just glad my dd's safely got to an age where she's too old for soft play now and no kid ever clonked her twice in rapid succession on one of my hanging on by my fingertips days. And soft plays are a refuge for those fingertip hanging days...

Midorichan · 28/01/2015 20:56

I don't know. Same week my dad died, anniversary of my first baby's death, mum got diagnosed with cancer, was in a car accident, 2 hours of sleep due to my newborn vomiting everywhere with a chest infection, little girl kicked my son in the chest, ripped a chunk of his hair out before then biting him later on and leaving teeth marks at the same soft play area. That was a really shit week (all of two weeks ago), but it didn't even occur to me to yell at the kid. I guess that's just me though.

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Violettadoesthekondo · 28/01/2015 21:10

Your little boy isn't nasty. However if he can't play without constantly accidentally upsetting other children, you need to either avoid soft play situations totally or stay within one or two feet of him so that you can intervene straight away if he starts flinging his arms near other children. That might mean that you climb up the levels and go down slides with him.

GingerDoodle · 28/01/2015 21:14

I'm late to this but heres my tuppence

Mother over-reacted and was very unpleasant... that said I would have been none too pleased if my DD had been made to cry twice in a short space of time by the same child. And i've been known to utter some impolite things when she's been sent flying by older children - not necessarily about the children themselves but just that its happened and theres not a parent in sight!

So in short, others have said, don't beat yourself up - just be within grabbing range until he is a bit older.

And take heart mothers can be an unpleasant bunch; nothing as bitchy a group of mothers drinking tea! I was given death stares at soft play this week - I dared to tell a little boy (politely and without shouting) to stop throwing balls and grabbing them off the younger ones.

Violettadoesthekondo · 28/01/2015 21:30

As a two year old, a much larger 3 or 4 year old ran up to him at speed, knocked him flat on his back and then with both feet stood on his stomach, looking like he was about to bounce. DS had been stood admiring some murals and was shocked/upset/hurt. I firmly told the boy to stop and then located his mother and fairly explained to her what happened. She didn't apologise and wrote it off as her son delivering the same treatment he received from even older children there. She left soft play though, which was the correct thing to have happened considering he had already hurt another child only moments earlier.

Midorichan · 28/01/2015 21:58

Thanks everyone, you're totally right. I can completely understand why she was upset, it's just not cool though to tell a kid to his face what she did, though I totally understand her desire to protect her child, even though he wasn't actually pushed or anything, my son still caught him and made him cry (which I severely told him off for when I got to him).

Like I said, I'm a dumb fuck that overestimated her child's ability to stop when told. It won't be happening again (no more soft play, no more toddler groups). I guess he's now at 18 months old going into a new difficult phase and he needs to be around much older kids, not the little ones. He's been hit and kicked and bitten and shoved himself, so I understand how frustrating it is to witness, but not cool to tell any child of any age that. Anyway. Thanks again for your input. I won't be so stupid again.

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Violettadoesthekondo · 28/01/2015 22:52

I think you just need to be constantly there next to him and aware if he's accidentally hurting lots. Carry on with soft play and toddler groups but follow him around. The mum was rather rude but probably just really upset that her son seemed to be targeted.

billionthnamechange · 28/01/2015 23:05

Big hug from me :)

custardismyhamster · 28/01/2015 23:06

OP, you need to be kinder to yourself. You did what you thought was right with DS today. You've learnt that oh, he's changed how he does something-that's normal. Next time you will handle softplay with him differently, that's great. That does NOT make you a dumb fuck. Sitting saying 'I'm drinking my coffee he's fine to play alone other kids need to toughen up' wouldn't make you very nice Grin but that's not what you're saying. The other woman was horrible to say that to your DS. I had someone's similar aged child come into my reception (in a school) today. He temporarily broke my signing in machine by touching it and knocked over my counted into classes pile of letters. Know what my reaction was? 'Oh hello, sweetheart. Are you coming to say hello? That's lovely isn't it. I know, it's boring in here for you-don't worry, big brother will be here very soon' who shouts at a toddler FFS!?

CocktailQueen · 28/01/2015 23:16

No need for the hair shirt, no need to keep calling yourself a dumb fuck, and I no need to stop all soft play and toddler groups! Blimey.

Just be with your DS at the moment, and be aware what he's doing and where he is. It's a big learning curve!

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