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Baby not babbling

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Mirage · 19/04/2004 23:10

DD had her 8 month check today & was fine,apart from the fact that she doesn't 'babble'.

She is a very bright,alert little girl & has no hearing problems.She is very vocal & sits 'talking' to herself whilst playing & also sings & shouts.But she doesn't say ba-ba,da-da or anything like that.

We get a-buh & ah-gee & various other sounds & she will look at me if DH asks her where mummy is ect.

Should I be worried?The hv said they will see how she is at her next check.

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hercules · 19/04/2004 23:16

I really dont think you should be worried at all. All babies are different- your dd obviously hasnt read the textbooks that say she should be making those particular sounds so instead is doing others.

I am not even going take dd for an 8 month check as I am yet to meet a hv who knows what they are talking about!

fisil · 20/04/2004 07:15

Mine never did, exactly the same as yours! Said his first word well before his first birthday, though. So I'm sure it's not a problem.

coppertop · 20/04/2004 08:06

When ds2 (now 14mths) wasn't babbling at his 8mth check, the HV said that it was too early to be concerned but that they would keep an eye on things. 2 months later he started babbling. Even then the HV was being overly-vigilant because ds1 (nearly 4) is autistic and didn't speak until he was 3.

elliott · 20/04/2004 13:06

ds1 didn't make any consonant sounds by the time of his 9 month check (when he was nearly 10 months). I WAS worried about it, and I bought the babytalk book and started being a bit more aware of the need to talk to him more. He started babbling soon after and now (28 months) I'd say his speech is better than average (but then I am his mum )
Looking back I think a couple of nasty ear infections around that time probably were the cause.
Don't worry, she'll get there!

Evita · 20/04/2004 20:19

My dd was similar to yours, never did much babbling but did lots of other vowel-consonant combinations so I never worried and neither did my hv at the 8 month check up. She's now 18 months and a total chatterbox. I wouldn't give it another thought if I were you.

expatkat · 20/04/2004 20:29

Mirage, I started (or contributed to?) an identical thread about a yr ago when my dd was 8 mos and not babbling. She wasn't even making any of the sounds you describe of your dd. HV said the same thing to mesee how she is at next checkand indeed by next check she was babblng away. More than likely that will be your scenario too. PS--she's caught up well in the meantime & seems to be about where other children her age are with speech development.

celandine · 21/04/2004 10:29

My ds is 9 months next week and only started babbling a couple of weeks ago. I too was concerned and was going to start a thread on it, but then thought I'd wait a bit to see if anything happened. It just started one day just out of the blue he started doing it, like there was a new connection in his brain. He's made lots of non-consonnant noises before but never ba-ba-ba.

I've got the Babytalk book and have been trying to follow its principles (talk to baby a lot, 1/2 hour one-one time, follow baby's focus of attention) since he was very young but he's still a 'late' babbler so I really do think they just do it when they are ready, despite the parent's attempts to hasten it. And remember Einsten didn't talk until he was 4 so there would just be a lot of thinking going on in there!

Also, my friend's ds wasn't babbling at 9 months and then he did the next day after his 9 month check. My friend was so annoyed he'd not done it for the hv!

And also, I was a very late babbler at 10 months so maybe it's also hereditary.

Jimjams · 21/04/2004 14:00

ahh a timely thread.

My second son started babbling with consonants (da da da da) at 10 months. He's 2.3 now and his speech is very poor. I went to a conference on verbal dyspraxia (apraxia) yesterday and he was doing lots of typically apraxic things. I've suspected that he has apraxia for a while so I wasn't surprised. HIs language is fine (babytalk is good for language development by the way but not so much speech).

So late babbling can be a problem (and is a symptom of apraxia) and therefore worth keeping an eye on. However far more important is language development itself- speech is not that important (you may think I'm mad but I have a child with severe language problems as well as speech problems and there's no comparison between the 2). Look out for pointing beginning at around 12 monthis, and understanding. if that's all OK I don;t think you need to worry about speech output until over 2 really.

Not sure Einstein is a good example for language development though as he was almost certainly autistic

Croak · 21/04/2004 15:02

Sorry to hijack your thread Mirage and also to treat you like a bit of a 'resident expert' Jimjams but what are the symptoms of apraxia/verbal dyspraxia or is there a good website on it that you could point me to?

I know that you say not to worry about speech output before two but ds seems to say a lot less than most children his age and I can't help worrying a bit.

Ds started babbling with consonants at about 10 months but always seemed a lot quieter than most babies his age. At about 13 months he started to say moo for cows and related beasts () and his own word 'aye aye' for baby/himself. At 16 months he started da da (now daddy) and a couple of weeks ago started bapa for grandpa. He's not quiet any more and says these words as much as he can manage to fit them in.

As far as language/develpomental things go I think he's ok (but he's my first so worry that I don't know whats normal). He started pointing at interesting things with his whole hand at about 11 months and I worried about this until he used his index finger at about 13/14 months. At about 14 months I tried the chat test on him and I think he passed although the pretend play has developed a lot since then so perhaps I was being overly optimistic (ie he'd give his animals a pretend drink but not go through a big rigmarole of making a cup of tea - then again I'm not a big one for tea pots and china either ) He is very shy especially of new people though but not too worried, should I be?

Reasons that make me worry about speech problems to do with apraxia are that, although he's very quick to copy almost everything we do, he doesn't seem to be able to copy blowing (an elderly friend told me she taught her children to blow out their candles on their 1st birthdays but don't know how realistic this is) and though he tries rasberries this is only a recent thing wheras most babies I knew seem to do this at about 5 months. Also, although he's breastfed (so can obviously suck!) he's always hated no spill cups and prefers to drink out of a beaker without a lid. He's very good at this, can also manage a spoon ok (messy but quite effective) and is generally good at gross motor things like running, squatting, climbing etc.

Realise that I sound like an incredibly daft precious mother here but I worry that I should be getting help with him rather than sitting back thinking he'll get there in his own time. When I asked the GP at about 14 months she said to bring him back if he wasn't making progress but I haven't because I think he is, albeit very slow. Late speech does seem to be a feature of both my dad's and dp's family but I don't feel very reassured by this because 1. they're all pretty sciency, obsessive interest type people and I worry about the result of combination of both sides (should have thought about this before shacking up with a computer geek I suppose), 2. this family lore seems to be pretty unreliable and won't necessarily follow that because they learned to talk at four without having other problems that ds won't.

Anyway, I'd really appreciate anyone's thoughts. Sorry for the really long post but I just don't know what, if anything is significant.

Croak · 21/04/2004 15:04

Doh, ds is nearly 18 months. Manage to write an essay and leave out the most important piece of information...sounds suspiciously familiar for me.

Jimjams · 21/04/2004 15:26

I don't think you need to worry chat test wise- it's usually fairly obvious if they fail as they don't point at all and can't follow a point. Pretend play sounds fine to me- agree that the whole making a cup of tea is going to be a bit elabporate for your average 18 month who'se never seen a tea cup.

Not being able to can be a sign of problems. The person I went to see talk yesterday is Nancy Kaufman- her webiste is kidspeech.com Another good site is apraxia kids- but you'll have to google for that.

She talked a little about other speech problems. SO children with dysarthria tend to have toruble sucking, blowing, they drool and they can make lax vowels eg "ahh" but not tighter ones eg "eee".
Apraxia/verbal dyspraxia is a little different - often children can make sounds in isolation- sometimes all the speech sounds, but can't combine them into words. Of they can say refles words but not the sounds on command. She showed a little girl who when asked to say "n" couldn't but could say "no" - the n was voluntary but the "no" was reflex. Similarly there are children who when told to "open your mouth" can't do it- but when presented with a chocolate button will do- the food makes it a reflex action.

18 months is still young- as to work on speech problems children need to have a certain understanding of language (this is the problem we have with ds1- especially as he doesn't understnad imitation). The NHS will leave a child too long though. In my son's case (ds2) I referred him to SALT at 2- we haven't been seen yet- and when we do see someone it will be a community therapist who basically won't know their arse from their elbow. If he has dyspraxia I doubt we'll see the "right" person until he's well over 3- and then we won't get the therapy we need, which is why I've decided to learn how to do it myself.

If you are near manchester and free tomorrow I highly recommend that you try and go to Nancy's conference. If not then I would keep an eye. refer at 2 (I had to battle to refer then so I doubt they would much younger). Meanwhile look around for oral -motor activitities. Try to get your son to blow different whistles (each one needs a different puff) work on blowing out candles (we did eventaully teach ds1 to blow so it can be done). Do lots of licking exercises- jam round the mouth to lick off. Use an electric toohtbrush inside the mouth (touch various places) this is to "wake up" the mouth muscles.

You can send a video to Nancy - for 100 dollars- or for free if you go to one of her conferences. She gives some feedback. I'm going to send one of ds1 and ds2- so will let you know what she says about ds2- as he sounds kind of similar to your son.

Jimjams · 21/04/2004 15:27

seen a tea pot I mean!

Jimjams · 21/04/2004 15:27

ahh god I should preview - not being able to blow

Croak · 21/04/2004 16:50

Thanks so much for your help jimjams. Its makes such a change to be taken seriously without being seen to be 'criticising' ds (heinous crime to dp and my mum, can't get them to understand that I'm not).

Unfortunately I'm down south and not free tomorrow as I'd really like to go to the conference but think I'll have to go with your second strategy. I'll check out Nancy Kaufmann's website and possibly send her a video if no improvement in a month or so. Think ds will love the jam thing but might be a bit scared of whistles or the electric toothbrush - he's a bit of a wimp really Perhaps I can find quiet ones.

How did you get your ds1 to blow btw (obviously know that it might be a bit different as remember you saying he has lots of trouble copying) Ds loves bubbles but doesn't seem to get the blowing bit at all, also me blowing on his food makes him laugh but he's never done it himself. Some of the things you mention sound familiar but others don't apply to ds, eg he can say ee (in daddy or ee aye ee aye oh - oh realise I sold him short before by not mentioning that ) and he doesn't drool (didn't even dribble as a baby or when teething).

Its interesting that you mention that he sounds like your ds2 in some ways as spookily I remember reading (lurker supremo) a thread you started (calling anyone with a 20 month old or something similar)and thinking that I had a feeling that that's where we'd be in a few months. Please let me know how you both get on but most of all thanks for all your great help.

Btw sorry to have been so long in replying, don't know if its me or everyone but couldn't get talk to work. In the meantime I had a look at Kaufmann's site and the bits in 'signs and symptoms' did seem to be relevant to ds, ie. changing consonants to ones that he can say or leaving them out all together eg in bapa for grandpa and in 'Happy and you know it' he says ee ah for we are. Then again he is young and I suppose all babies do this to some extent. Agggh, just so worried about not reacting quickly enough and letting ds down

Jimjams · 21/04/2004 17:13

not drooling etc is good as it makes it less likely to be dysarthria which I got the impression is hard to help. 18 months is young though. it may be worth emailing nancy kaufman for advice on "when to worry" - she was very helpful with ds1 a year or so ago.

As for blowing we found using whistles/recorders and short puffs was successful- "pu pu pu". DS1 still can';t do candles etc. Also has a tendency to blow his nose when we say "blow".

I still get told to wait with ds2- his is young, but on the other hand we waited with ds1 and it didn't do any good at all. There's a tendency in the country to dish out platitudes far too frequently. Often simple testing is all that's needed to see whether it is appropriate to wait or not.

Croak · 21/04/2004 17:27

Thanks again, the emailing idea is a good one and I'll definitely try to get in contact with her. Lol at your ds1 blowing through his nose rather than his mouth. It would be so helpful if ds could blow his 'on command', we're chasing him like tissue wielding maniacs at the moment .

Mirage · 22/04/2004 20:02

Thanks everone.

I am less worried now,we had a 'ga-ga' yesterday & a 'dadu' today,so she is getting there.

I think one of the reasons I was a bit concerned about it,is that my Uncle is non-verbal & I am aware of how dificult it can be to find out what he wants ect.

Anyway,I am feeling better about it now-she is busy trying to crawl backwards at the minute,so is probably concentrating on that rather than babbling.

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