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Still 3 weeks until appointment for ds2 (4) don't know if I can wait that long. :(

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MidnightDinosaur · 17/10/2014 03:39

His behaviour is just beyond awful at the moment. This last 2 weeks he's had me in tears more times than I can count. He can be so lovely and affectionate and kind, but these times are very rare. He screams and shouts and his tantrums can last up to 3 hours (by which time none of us can even remember what he's so bloody angry about) he's absolutely vile to his older brother (5) teasing, pinching, scratching, punching, kicking. We've tried absolutely everything we can think of, everything that has been recommended to us but still the behaviour continues.

He's so much worse on the days he's been to Kindy.

Gp was concerned and has referred us to a developmental paediatrician but the appointment isn't for another 3 weeks. Don't know how I'm going to cope until then.

At the moment the only thing we are able to do is pick up ds1 when he's being hurt and lock ourselves in his bedroom or the bathroom away from ds2 until he calms down or gives up.

I feel like shit that I can't protect my ds1, I feel like shit that I can't help ds2.

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JiltedJohnsJulie · 17/10/2014 08:21

That must be so tough. Could you phone the secretary of the Paed, tell her what you are going through and see if you can get an earlier appointment?

Could you find a safe place to put DS2 instead of locking yourself away?

I know it sounds a bit hippy, but have you tried just giving him a hug? My dd finds it very difficult to calm down when she's angry but I've realised the quickest way to calm her is to use a soft voice and hug her.

If he's overtired after Kindy, have you tried some quiet time with him? Something like playdoh or a cuddle, snack and an audio book or just regular book?

Have you read house of tiny Tearaways by Dr Tanya Byron?

Not much help I know Thanks

JiltedJohnsJulie · 17/10/2014 16:28

How are you now OP?

MidnightDinosaur · 17/10/2014 19:21

Hi, thanks for your reply, its morning time here so we've all just got up. Feeling ok. It's the weekend so no kindy which means ds2's behaviour isn't so severe and if it is, dp here to help.

We've tried putting ds2 in his bedroom when he's in one of his meltdowns but it goes one of 2 ways, he either just comes out (again and again and again) or he starts kicking the crap out of the doors/walls, throwing stuff. We live in a rented house so I can't have him damaging the doors.

I do try and sit with him and cuddle (read bear hug) him through it when I can. I don't know it makes a difference to be honest, I just end up covered in scratches and bruises. Plus it doesn't feel quite right to be sat with him holding up for so long when it's ds1 that has just been kicked, punched, scratched and needs comforting too. Easier to do when DP is home as he can comfort one while I do the other.

We do quiet time after kindy and have always done it since they dropped their naps. Again, can't say it helps, he's usually bouncing off the walls after kindy, I've changed to taken them straight to the park or beach when I can as ds2 will play and leave ds1 alone.

Non kindy days, well the behaviour is still there, but it's spread out over a whole day so doesn't feel quite so bad, his behaviour at kindy is perfect according to his teachers but once home, he just explodes. It's like he's getting all his frustrations, anger, sadness out as soon as he reaches our front door.

Well, that was a bit long. Thank you for the book suggestion will have a look.

I'm a bit pissed off at the moment after sharing my feelings with a friend and she suggesting that a weekend at her house with a bit of rough love would "sort him out"

Yep, like if it was that easy, I'd be in this situation now!

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MidnightDinosaur · 17/10/2014 19:23

Tough love, not rough love. Although the way she was talking, I wouldn't be surprised if she meant rough.

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NancyJones · 17/10/2014 19:40

Sounds tough! Nobody can blame you for feeling so low as his behaviour does sound extreme. Do you think it's just tiredness or do you think he's struggling socially at nursery and then venting it when he's more relaxed at home? Are you worried about any other aspect of his behaviour or is it purely extreme tantrums.
Ignore your friend; if you can call her that. She probably has no concept of what your family is going through or the reality of your ds2's behaviour.
How our kids turn out is only 70% us. The rest is up to them.

RabbitSaysWoof · 17/10/2014 19:56

How shit for you. I'm sure you friend ment well even if she came across insensitive.
Is Kindy compulsory? Would it be less stressful to leave it until after your appointment if it gets him stressed/ over stimulated?

MidnightDinosaur · 17/10/2014 20:44

No, Kindy isn't compulsory, but tbh, he only reason he is there is because he wants to go. (I home ed ds1) it would be less stressful to not take him but if I try and tell him he's staying at home today he gets upset. and I know this probably sounds awful but taking him to Kindy at least gives ds1 a break from his outbursts.

This behaviour has been a bit of a problem since way before Kindy started however, at 2 years old, it was put down to age, at 3, struggling to control his emotions and just needing a bit of guidance, not at 4 the doctor agrees that something needs to be done. At initial appointment with the GP he did mention "possibly being on the spectrum" I'm thinking at least ADHD. It would explain a lot of behaviours.

There is other aspects of his behaviour I'm worried about and it's all writen down in the referral. It's lots of little things that on their own, don't sound too bad, but put them all together and you have parents who have run out of ideas.

Thank you for your replies, I will come back later but we've decided that I'm going to take ds2 out on his own today, just the 2 of us, while Dp stays home with ds1.

Hoping some time, the 2 of us, will help a little for now.

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JiltedJohnsJulie · 17/10/2014 22:55

Hope the two of you are getting along well today. Has the GP checked his hearing? How's his speech? My dd can get angry when she's finding it difficult to express herself. She's had sone speech therapy which has helped a bit.

SleepyLambs · 19/10/2014 10:12

You must be emotionally and physically exhausted. How does he sleep? Any snoring or mouth breathing? Chronic sleep deprivation can come across as behavioural issues so it's one thing that may be worth looking at if he doesn't sleep well.

JiltedJohnsJulie · 20/10/2014 09:26

Any news on the appointment?

MidnightDinosaur · 21/10/2014 08:47

Hi all. Sorry haven't come back earlier. Just got the boys in bed and sat down with a coffee so will try and cover everything.

We had a great time together at the weekend, weather was a bit rubbish so we to a big play zone place and ran ourselves ragged. His behaviour was perfect.

Phoned about appointment, they can't give me another closer date but they have put me at the top of the waiting list for any cancellations.

I wrote the op when I was angry, frustrated and upset so probably didn't give as much information as I shoukd have.

He had grommets fitted in April this year at the same time as having his tonsils out. On the initial appointment for this, the consultant and I went through his behaviour history and she strongly thought that having the grommets fitted would "greatly improve his behaviour" (obviously that wasn't the problem as although it's helped him hear a bit better it hasn't done much else)

His speech is perfect. I can't even remember when his first word was or when it was tbh, it just all happened so fast and he was having perfect full conversations by 18months old. He was talking before his older brother who is speech delayed and didn't talk until after 3 years old.

From birth to 16 months, he woke every 2hrs, every single night. From then on, he probably woke twice a night 4/5x a week (again just happened overnight) he started sleeping right through the night from around 2 1/2 years old but with that brought the very early mornings. 4am every single day for a year, we've finally got him sleeping until 5.30/6am but staying in his room quietly until his clock "wakes up" at 6.30am. He dropped his daytime naps at 2 and would just spend the whole day on the go, absolutely non stop until he crashed a 7pm.

He was breast fed until 2 1/2 years old and was dairy free until 18months old.

Now here come the bit where people think I'm boasting but I'm truly not, I was always worried about him seriously hurting himself, on tenterhooks making sure he didn't do something ridiculous, couldn't take my eye off him for a second.

He was commando crawling at 12 weeks old, rolling his arm underneath him to pull himself across the floor, pulling himself up on furniture at 4 months and cruising at 6. He was forever pulling himself up and climbing on the dining room table, window sills, I popped to the toilet once and when I came back, he was on top of the kitchen work top, stood up holding onto the handles of the cupboards above him. He couldn't even walk unaided when this happened. He didn't walk unaided until closer to 15 months. Stair gates were a breeze for him, he would just throw himself over them.

Which comes to the fact he has absolutely no sense of danger, scaling climbing frames that 8 year olds would be cautious of, jumping from heights any other child his age wouldn't even go near (we had one incident when he copied an 11yr old jumping from a platform, he landed on his back and we thought he's seriously hurt himself) yet he doesn't seem to feel pain or at least has a very high pain threshold. nes much better now, with a lot of consistency and guidance, he absolutely does not run towards roads anymore or bolt off in the street, he does still try to conquer things that a child twice his age would struggle with.

Then we've got the tantrums and the violence at home. And for some reason, only ever when we're at home. My real true concern is that the violence is ALWAYS aimed at his 5yr old brother, never me or his dad (unless we're holding him during a tantrum and he lashes out) Like I said, he is vile to him. And most of the time it's not because ds1 has done anything to him. He will literally just walk up to his brother, smack him, laugh and walk away. If ds1 reacts (which of course he does) and starts crying or says "ouch" ds2 will try to hit him more. He raised his arms and balled his hands up into fist for the first time about a month ago, I took hold of him by the shoulders, got down to his level and told him "we never ever raise our fists to anyone and I didn't want to see him doing it again" but he now thinks this is a game and is the first thing he does if he wants to get a reaction from his brother. I read siblings without rivalry and tried really hard to follow the advice, it made sense, but none of it worked and that's when we decided that it was just easier to pick up ds1 and lock us both away together until ds2 stopped the violence?

Now just got to try work through the proper tantrums/meltdowns until the appointment.

Well, I've probably waffled on too much and given more details that are needed/matter but it does feel good to get it all written down somewhere.

Someone today asked me what I wanted to get out of the appointment. I said I want answers to his behaviour. Is it something that he's got/can't help or is it me. I don't care which one of these is the answer tbh, if it's something that's "wrong" (I know that's not the right word but can't think of how else to put it) with him, I'll get help, but if it's something that's wrong with me, I'll still get help so either way we can hopefully learn a way of helping/dealing with him that doesn't ruin our family.

Thank you all for your replies, and sorry about the legnth of this post. I'll update if I get any news of a closer appointment.

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