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9 year old DD driving me to send her away...

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LimitedTime · 26/08/2014 01:18

I'm sorry but this might be long...
I just don't know where to turn any more. Her behavior is becoming so bad that I don't know what to do.
She can cause an argument before I've even woken up properly. She has this constant need to dictate to me and my partner what we are doing. When we are doing it & how long we can. She is rude & so full on that I'm literally at breaking point.
She will talk and answer for everyone even if its an adult conversation. Even if she isn't in the same room you can guarantee her answering it. She has this obsessive habitof ssneaking around, listening to my private (or sometimes not) conversations and will willingly go and repeat them to anyone who will listen (she once told the lollypop lady I was on my period Blush ) she has no filter. At all. She walked up to my sisters boyfriend who she had never met, and stated that she hated him because he looked scary!! Why??!!
That's what I seem to ask myself a lot. Why? At school she is greatwith hher reading. Everything else is poor. She has no friends and is a constant target for bullies. Her teachers want me to do a 'Question book' ... Its a book dd has to carry around with her all the time & write in it before she can ask said question , to make her realize some questions are either a) pointless or b) irrelevant to that situation. (For example, the class where making paper masks and she randomly asked what the weather would be like in Spain?!) Her teacher seems worried but not worried enough. She has to tell dd to be quiet & to concentrate at least 4/5 times before lunch.
Her other 'obsession' is the toilet. If we go into a new house, cafe or restaurant she will hunt out the toilet. Instantly. So now we ask if sherreally really needs to go & we do often go with her now (in the cubicle) to which she admits she doesn't really have to go! That happens a lot in our day to day life. Even at school.
I feel like I'm talking & shouting at a brick wall daily. You can give her instructions and it's like they never left your mouth. She doesn't 'hear' them or 'forgets'
I admit I have fell short a few times & cried in front of her & she just looked at me. Smiles and walks off.
She will answer for me, tell me things that I don't need to know ( she can tell me how many children every teacher has, if they are married or not too) I know who has what & where .

The other thing she does is , for example. I said to her earlier her button was undone on her new PJs .. To which she replied with out even checking no it's not. It's like it shoots out before she knows. She will ask a question. I tell her the answer & all I get is "No its jot" I feel like screaming "WHY ask me then?? If you surly know it!!"
If I'm talking to her step brother , she will start talked for him. I tell her to be quiet & she doesn't. She just carries on talking over me. She gets louder & louder. So her step brother can't talk because she gets in there first.

I feel like I'm raising a 4 year old. It feels that every year she gets older , she gets a year younger. She will fight with my 3 yr old niece for her toys. She is obsessed with babies dolls & buggies. I have seen her get physical & through a massive tantrum if she cannot hold the buggy. She will play with toys in the age range.of 1-3. She cannot do maths at all. She can't even brush her own hair. She has the compulsive need to be a commentator at every event or anything we are doing. She will draw a line on a piece of paper & run in to me shouting me to show me this one line.

I have punished in taking things away. Grounding. Losing out. You name it. But it doesn't count anymore. It's driving a wedge between me & my partner. The whole situation is driving me to sign her over to someone who can cope. Because I'm at my limit now.

I am starting to resent her more and more everyday. I am starting to hate her in fact. I want to love her. I do. But I don't know how anymore. I'm sick of crying & shouting & kicking myself.

What more can I do? Luckily she isn't violent. But still....

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thedevilinside · 26/08/2014 10:16

I'd say aspergers too, that toilet thing is her need for control, she is obviously worried about not getting to the toilet in time, so I would ignore that otherwise you will make her anxiety worse

thedevilinside · 26/08/2014 10:20

In fact, I would say she sounds extremely anxious hence the need to control absolutely everything. I think you need an urgent referral and some parenting help ( I have a daughter with suspected Aspergers and a son with ASD) so I can relate

LimitedTime · 26/08/2014 12:33

I just feel so helpless & really alone. I try to talk to family and the all tell me she's fine. Don't worry. But I do. I'm so drained emotionally, physically & mentally. I have no friends anymore because I'm just to tired to deal with them.

I want to help her & love her & be a great mum to her. I just want what others have got. No dread getting up in the morning would be nice

Thank you all dod your support & kind words. Really is nice to hear

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Thumbwitch · 26/08/2014 12:47

It's very unsupportive when people around you refuse to acknowledge the possibility of a problem. :(

I was only talking to a friend of mine today about this - her DD2 (just 5) has crippling social anxiety issues, but also will not allow anyone to examine or assess her in any way, not even for eye tests, temperature, hearing, nothing. She went to the doc this morning and would not let the doc near her - ended up kicking and hitting out, in an absolute frenzy. This is normal for her. The doc suggested that she needs assessing - it's been attempted before but got nowhere because she refused to co-operate in any way. OK, so much for that - the real problem is her Dad, who refuses to accept that there might be anything remotely amiss - he's scared there is but says that he doesn't want her tested because a "label" will disadvantage her. So don't bother getting her assessed is his response. He dismisses concerns, metaphorically sticks his fingers in his ears and goes "LALALA!" because he doesn't want to know or believe that there is any possibility that his DD is on the spectrum (chances are she is). It makes my friend mad because it's restricting what she can get done in terms of assessments and gaining help for her DD2. :(

biscuitsandbandages · 26/08/2014 12:58

It sounds like things are extremely difficult for all of you right now and its must be especially hard for her as she doesnt seem to understand the spoken and unspoken rules about how people interact.

I would suggest you print out your first post and take it to your gp to read. Ask if they can refer you to camhs. Also ask the school if they can involve the educational psychologist and start a CAF process.

It wont be a quick fix but it sounds as is she has some difficulty processing the world around her and reacting 'appropriately' to it without any desire to hurt anyone. It must be very frustrating for her and you all need some help and support.

LimitedTime · 26/08/2014 12:59

My DD will be examined by a doctor but only if she allows. She had an infected toe once & me, my partner & a nurse had to pin her down to inject her toe. She has some strength behind her. She will kick of about trying new things.

I'm going to get her to the GP as soon as I can. Well, I'm going to go on my own first.

I can understand in a way why my family say these things, her reading ability is amazing. She can read at higher levels than she is. They are long words she speaks too! So its like, well she can read like that then she is OK. But yet my DD can't add up at all. Take away is to painful to watch. She is blank. She tries. My god does she try.

I don't know if her getting assessed will make a lot of difference. Especially with my partner. Because if DD is diagnosed , surly not a lot will change? Because I presume there is no magic pill. She will literally be the same child, but I will know how to handle it better? Handle her better? Which obviously makes me think , especially, as I said with my partner. I don't see how getting her assessment sorted, could possibly change their relationship. Will it bring me & DD closer together? I hope so. I hope with everything I have sorry just thinking out loud on that

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KraggleLego · 26/08/2014 13:16

My DD is exactly like this word for word, My DH's parents came over for a visit a couple of weeks ago. She went through there suitcases, played with there things and screamed in there faces. I asked her why she did this and she said I don't know. I know how utterly and completely exhausting it is day in day out to deal with this kind of thing.

My DD is 9 also and has been excluded from school. However the school are now fully on board, she has a statement and is been investigated for aspergers. She is also making a few friends. Our home life is the same as it has always been, but now we are learning the triggers and why she is like she is it is easier to ignore. I too have been at your low point, sobbing while considering weather social services will take her.
I don't know if she will ever get better at controlling herself, I am getting better at controlling my reaction to her.

I don't really have any advice for you except push and push for her to be assessed because im guessing there is something.

CultureSucksDownWords · 26/08/2014 13:16

Getting an assessment and possibly a diagnosis will mean that you can start to access appropriate support that will help you and your DD. You should be referred on for further treatment whether that's medication, counselling, parenting courses etc.

You can discuss with school what her assessment is, and the SENCO can plan appropriate support in school.

Things will improve, but I do think getting a full understanding of what her issues are is vital.

biscuitsandbandages · 26/08/2014 13:23

If there is a diagnosis to made then quite apart from opening doors to support it will be very important to her in years to come in understanding why she is the way she is.

If no diagnosis then they will still be able to help with specific parenting strategies and possibly a form of play therapy to help you all develop the areas she has difficulty with so the behaviours improve.

Thumbwitch · 26/08/2014 13:30

As other posters are saying, getting a diagnosis will not change who she is, but it will open doors for you to get more support in how to deal with her. It will get you to a place of better understanding of how she functions, and therefore you will be better able to find strategies to deal with her behaviours. School will be able to provide her with more support, she will get more allowance made for some of her more outlandish traits; and YOU can join forums and groups and get further peer support from other parents in the same position as you.

It really does make a difference - support for both of you, help for her specifically in her learning - access to further facilities and hopefully better responses from her educators.

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