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My 6wk DD cries fantically all evening

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jay9 · 14/09/2006 09:40

I've heard that it's common for babies to have 'restless' evenings but our evenings are dreadful - she cries and climbs up us frantically for hours from about 7.00 until eventually she'll fall asleep on dad at about 10.00. MY DH has had one-handed dinners every night so far and all he seems to see of his DD is this. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with her - we use infacol anyway as she's always been a bit windy. We've tried distracting, giving her water, bathing her but nothing works for more than a few minutes before she's starts crying again. Any thoughts anyone...we're going mad with it?? She feeds well and sleeps reasonably well - not so much in the day but sleeps well at night.

thanks
Jay9

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MuffinTumMum · 14/09/2006 09:46

Hi,

just a thought, are you feeding on demand? 6 weeks is generally the time for a big grow, both of my DS's feed ALOT around this time.
Otherwise the evening witching hours are quite standard for little ones inclined to colic, it does get better! I used Colief for both of mine, which is a real fag to use but worked better than Infacol IMO x

sorrell · 14/09/2006 09:49

Horrible isn't it? One of mine did this, and the only thing I can say is that they do grow out of it - usually by 12 weeks (which probably seems a lifetime away at the moment, I know). Could you put her in a pram after a feed and just go out for a walk as a family? It's still quite warm at 7pm. I'd recommend you go to the pub!

MuffinTumMum · 14/09/2006 09:52

Agree wholeheartedly with Sorrel, getting out of the house and all having a change of scene would be good. would far rather climb the four walls of pub than my living room any day

Flamesparrow · 14/09/2006 09:53

I saw a chiropracter for colic, but also with breastfed ones at that age, most are wanting to cluster feed all evening.

llynnnn · 14/09/2006 11:18

Hi Jay
I was coming on mumsnet to type exactly the same question! My daughter is also 6weeks old and is incolsolable from about 7pm - 11pm each night. Its horrible and so hard! I hope all these other more experienced mums can offer lots of lifesaving tips!!

LIZS · 14/09/2006 11:22

It is a tough period - ds had colic and dd reflux and both were horrendous in the evenings, we barely got to eat and you adapt your meals to simple fork food ! They both snackfed all evening too. It does pass though and some people find cranial osteopathy helps .

SKYTVADICT · 14/09/2006 11:26

We got an electric swing! Magical. Failing that we just went out for a walk. It seems so long ago but I remember it well. I was b/f and was told it was because she was hungry and my milk was weaker at the end of the day. Don't know if it is true but I fed her often (made her wait an hour between feeds though by swing/walking) It will pass x

TooTicky · 14/09/2006 11:26

If she's not hungry, try taking her for a walk in a sling. My dd2 used to enjoy the fresh air around that age. Also, sometimes little babies fall asleep easier on dad because the milky smell on you can be distracting.

Toady · 14/09/2006 11:52

sorry to those who have read before but here is an interesting read on colic in babies up to 3 months.

Colic starts within the first week of life and is characterised by regular,
nightly crying bouts between about 5pm and 10pm and then again between 2-3am
and 4-5am. The baby draws up his legs and appears to be in pain. Suckling
and rocking appear to help for short burts but nothing gets the baby to
sleep for long, until the end of that particular colic bout when baby falls
soundly asleep.

Colic is caused by high blood levels of certain hormones that make smooth
muscle contract. These hormones are ciculating in all of us and peak daily
between 5pm and 10pm and 2 -5 am (bingo!) Gut is made of smooth muscle and
so you can see how the pattern emerges. Now... breastmilk contains
endorphins which RELAX smooth muscle and so the picture a mum typically sees
is... baby in pain with gut contractions; baby thinks "tummy hurts and so I
must need to suckle agian"; baby suckles and receives endorphin-rich milk;
baby's gut relaxes; baby stops suckling; endorphin level drops over about
10-20 minutes; gut contractions return; baby thinks "Oooh! Tummy hurts and
so I must need to suckle again", and so on and so forth. It is easy to see
how mums think that somehow their breastmilk is actually causing the problem
whereas, really, the baby is self-medicating on endorphins.

Now, how to deal with the problem. Firstly, it can help to know that there
is no cure; just coping strategies until baby learns to ignore and cope with
these routine churnings. Next, it is useful to remember that colic is
definitely not caused by wind or foods (with a couple of notable exceptions,
for which, see later) seeping into the milk. In fact, all the weird and
wonderful ideas put forward really don't bear scrutiny: air cannot enter the
milk (if this happened, mum would die quite quickly!); breastmilk cannot
become acidic due to overeating, for instance, oranges (if this happened,
the mum would die just as quickly!!). The trick is to keep endorphin levels
as high as possible. Now, human milk contains endorphins so, breastfeeding
will always be the most obvious solution, and you cannot put the baby to the
breast too often. Also, you can do things that will stimulate baby to
produce his own endorphins: massage; skin-to-skin; rocking and jiggling; car
rides; warmth (either with swaddling or a bath), and stimulating his senses
with certain white noises such as the hoover! Just remember that endorphins
have a very short half-life, so nothing works for more than 10 - 20 minutes.

Trying to cure baby of his colic is like trying to cure him of being a baby.
He will grow out of it at about 3 months no matter what you do (everything
or nothing). Of course, if you try different remedies, whichever one you are
trying when baby is 3 months old will be hailed as a miracle cure and you
will urge all your friends to try it!!

Some great news about colic is that it is protective against SIDS and tends
to badly affect the brighter, more sociable babies (Hurrah!). Also, it is
more obvious in the atopic baby. If you have eczema, asthma, hayfever or
migraines on either side of the family, then your baby will be more severely
affected and will almost certainly be sensitive to dairy. To this end, given
that tiny dairy protein molecules can enter the milk and upset sensitive,
atopic babies, cutting out all dairy in your diet can cut down the severity
of the colic bouts. Some people also find that cutting out caffeine and/or
alcohol can help as both of these cross the bloo/brain barrier and so,
obviously can reach the milk. Don't let this make you think that other food
stuffs can enter the milk (typical "bad foods" people blame are onions,
oranges, grapes, curry, garlic and most other foods that we really, really
love) There is solid and plentiful evidence to refute this. If anyone
suggests cutting out foods, ask them to explain the precise process by which
the food gets into the milk. I find that they usually gaze at the sky for a
while and then gradually realise that onions just aren't capable of this
marvellous feat!

Your colicky baby will almost certainly turn into an outgoing, physically
active baby (the more severe the colic, the more the baby is likely to fit
this personality type) who is an utter delight to mother (although you'll
need your wits around you as the little trouper raids every cupboard in
sight!) There is light at the end of the tunnel - best to batten down the
hatches for 3 months and emerge when the storm has passed and the sun is
shining!

Sugarmagnolia · 14/09/2006 13:16

I agree with SKYTVADICT - GET A SWING!!!

I remember my dd (she's 5 now!) doing exactly the same thing. She was a pretty good sleeper at night but would cry and fuss every evening for a couple of hours. My DH and I would have to take turns eating dinner - one would eat while the other rocked her adn walked around with her non-stop. Then someone gave us a swing. Bliss! Honestly, from the first day we used it. We actually made it part of her bedtime routine. Bath, feed, wind/nappy change then in the swing at around 7. She would rock while we ate and by the time we were done she was asleep. She eventually learned that 7pm was bedtime, even without the swing.

imaginaryfriend · 14/09/2006 13:30

My dd did this from about 4 weeks until about 8 weeks old I think. I think part of it was accumulation of milk over the day making her windy and being very over-tired. Anyhow it stopped as quickly as it started but I do remember those hours of inconsolable crying being very hard. Poor you. But it'll all be a distant memory before you know it.

kitbit · 14/09/2006 20:16

It will pass really quickly, it really will. We used to hold ds in the "tiger in a tree" position, holding his head with his cheek in the palm of my hand, and his body along the length of my arm with his arms and legs dangling over the sides. I'd gently rock him in this position and apparently it helps to loosen any stubborn air bubbles.
Also, a MW friend told me about the "spit roast", you sit down with your knees together and baby lying in your lap feet towards you. Put one forarm along her tummy and cup her cheek with your hand, and the other forearm along her back, holding the back of her head. Roll her slowly and gently from side to side, over onto tummy one side then all the way back onto tummy the other side. Keep going. Apparently this too can loosen bubbles, it's the same as rolling a bottle of fizzy drink - it coaxes the bubbles off the sides gently.

Hope this helps, if it is wind this might do the trick! Oh, we also carried ds a lot in a sling, as fussy and colicky babies love being held (as you know!!) and the more upright position helps to keep windiness at bay. A sling in which she can gently recline and which supports her back is best then she can relax and go to sleep in it, hopefully.

good luck, remember this well, it's tough but I promise it will get better x

utterlyconfused · 14/09/2006 20:33

All 3 of mine did this. They all grew out of it soon enough. As there was nothing we could do for them we just let them get on with it. In bed.

holidaysoon · 14/09/2006 21:24

Jay9 mine was a bit like this too they do grow out of it. Good luck

flannelettepyjamas · 15/09/2006 10:57

Same here - DD did this from 3 weeks til about 9 weeks. The electric swing didn't help at all.
DH and I used to joke about writing a recipe book full of one-handed recipes!
At 9 weeks I decided that she was going to bed at 7pm regardless and ended up rocking her to sleep. She would wake up, sometimes up to 8 times over about an hour til she finally stayed asleep. We did end up with the problem of rocking to sleep which we sorted at 6 months with controlled crying but at least our evenings were our own again (sort of!).
A friend of mine had this with her second and decided to let her cry for a short while to see what happened and low and behold she only cried for a few minutes and then went off to sleep.
My DD did remain very whingy in the evenings, needing to be held and rocked from 4pm til she went to bed until she was about 4 months old then it gradually subsided.
Good luck.

usandbump · 15/09/2006 12:12

As already mentioned, if you are breast-feeding its maybe that she wants to feed all evening. My DS did this from about 5 weeks he seemed to want to feed but then would fuss lots when feeding. In the end I took him upstairs sitting in the dark in a quiet, cool room this worked straight away. He fed for about an hour before dropping off and going straight in his cot. 4 weeks on he is still doing this but sometimes finishes feeding before falling asleep I put him in his cot and he goes off by himself. I take him up as soon as he begins to show signs of starting up anything between 6 and 8. This may be worth a try?

heifer · 15/09/2006 16:28

my dd was the same. friend recommended Infocale (for colic)...

Did the trick for us, the problem was knowing when to stop giving it to her as was scared of having a bad time again...

I think we stopped around 3 month mark and no problem...

Lio · 15/09/2006 16:38

At the risk of being shouted at, is there a room she could safely be in and you could be somewhere else unable to hear her for a bit? I've used the conservatory to stop me from going bonkers.

lenny101 · 15/09/2006 16:52

My lo would have hated being left alone, scary enough being in pain I think. Mine did it for two weeks until I cut out caffeine and dairy. Just know it will end! And good luck
x

jay9 · 21/09/2006 08:52

thanks for all the advice on this one everyone - much appreciated. More than anything it's good to know that lots of parents have experienced the same thing and everyone says that they'll grow out of it - what a relief - am counting down to 12 weeks now.

Another thought on day time sleeping. My DD seems to fight sleep during the day and I've only found 2 things that seem to help - driving her around for a bit or putting her in her nursery in the dark (and neither of these are dead certs!). Am not totally comfortable about keeping her upstairs on her own during daytime sleeps (but could use baby monitors I know)...any thoughts on this one folks?

jay9

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lrwg · 21/09/2006 09:02

Our Angelcare monitor is a God-send. Not only can we hear if DD cries (although she usually just 'shouts' for us - she's 18 weeks) but there is a sensor pad which monitors her breathing. If there is no movement, even the tiniest, for 20 seconds the alarm goes off. Far from making us paranoid, it has allowed us to relax in the knowledge that we don't have to creep into her room every half hour to check she's still breathing

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