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Mums of 4 year olds - do you let them wear headphones?

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Tex111 · 12/09/2006 14:41

DS recently got a new Lazytown CD and was very excited. We were having a day out and taking the train rather than the car so I let him use our old Discman with headphones to listen to the CD on the train. Since then he has listened to the CD in the house using the headphones too. DH doesn't like it.

At first he said that it could harm DS's hearing but I explained that it was on the quietest setting. Then DH said that he thought it was antisocial but DS is happy to take the headphones off when asked and he's not listening to it constantly anyway. Finally DH said that he just found it 'odd' and didn't like the idea of a 4 year old using headphones and then asked if any of our friends' children use headphones. I said that yes they did occasionally and then listed who and when, etc, etc.

I don't see what the big deal is. In fact, it's quite helpful when DD is napping and DS can listen to his CD quietly. Is this odd? And, if so, is being odd enough reason to stop? DH and I obviously disagree and I would appreciate a wider opinion.

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foxinsocks · 12/09/2006 14:43

no I don't let ours use headphones

dh's hearing has been damaged by using headphones (on a v loud setting mind you)

southeastastra · 12/09/2006 14:44

i would have thought it was ok if they aren't too loud. i'd like some of the bose ones that cut out all noises!

Tippytoes · 12/09/2006 14:44

I don't thinks its odd at all, as long as it is on a low setting. My DS who is 4 watches his DVD player in the car with the headphones on and also at home if he wants to watch it at the same time we are watching the big TV. He is a little crafty and tries to turn it up load, so we have to keep our eyes on him!

Bozza · 12/09/2006 14:47

DS listens to CDs in the car. Otherwise I take it away from him (mainly to preserve the life of the walkman which is already held together with insulating tape ) and make him listen to it on his CD player in his bedroom. If DD is asleep he is quite good at keeping the volume down and closing the door.

WigWamBam · 12/09/2006 14:50

Dd has had a tape player with headphones since she was about 4 - it has a volume limiter, so I can make sure she doesn't have it too high; she would try and sneak the volume up otherwise! It is a bit anti-social though, so I try to limit it to times when I'm busy doing other things, or when she needs a bit of quiet time (she usually listens to stories rather than music on it).

frogs · 12/09/2006 14:50

From my perspective (background in hearing research) absolutely not and under no circumstances.

We've run quite a few research projects using students as normal control subjects, and we routinely test their hearing just to make sure there are no undiagnosed hearing problems. A startlingly high percentage show high-frequency hearing loss, and it is very highly correlated with (a) a clubbing habit and (b) use of headphones for personal stereo/MP3 players.

Dd1 is now 11, and I still haven't budged. Sorry to be a party pooper, but you did ask.

suzywong · 12/09/2006 14:58

No
I don't

Tex111 · 12/09/2006 15:05

Thanks for all the comments so far. Very interested to hear all of them.

Frogs, especially interested to read your comment. Is it high volume that causes the damage or something about the headphones themselves, even at a low volume?

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kittywits · 12/09/2006 15:09

oh no, don't think so, would worry about hearing damage.

Mascaraohara · 12/09/2006 15:18

I let my dd listen to my ipod sometimes, It has 2 childrens albums on it and it's great for the odd train/coach journey..

CountessDracula · 12/09/2006 15:24

dd did on a plane with a portable dvd player once. I listened first to make sure it was very quiet

I don't think I would let her use for music on a regular basis though

frogs · 12/09/2006 16:31

My concern would be that headphones, by their very nature, deliver sound directly to the ear with an intensity that the human ear has simply not evolved to cope with. Sure, you can limit the risks by lowering the volume and limiting the exposure, but in practice that is not how most people use headphones.

Sounds below 70 decibels pose no known risk of hearing loss. That level is usually described as similar to the noise level you get when driving an average car down the motorway with the windows shut. Any sound above that level has the potential to cause hearing loss, depending on the length of exposure and the intensity of the noise. There's also some level of individual variability, which isn't fully understood. Essentially what happens in this type of hearing loss is that the tiny hair cells in the inner ear, which pick up sound waves and transmit them to the brain, are forced to vibrate beyond their natural limits. With repeated and prolonged exposure to damaging levels of sound, some of them will die off, much as if you stretch a metal spring beyond its natural elasticity. There is also a connection between headphone use and tinnitus, although the mechanism is not well understood.

I would be very surprised if the decibel level delivered by a set of headphones, particularly when listened to against any kind of competing background noise, eg. in a car, did not exceed the safe level by some margin. The 'in-the-ear' iPod type ear-buds are known to be more damaging than conventional headphones, but I suspect that in the real world there is in fact no safe level for headphone use, whatever SONY and co. tell you in their publicity material.

This is a bit of a hobby-horse of mine (and of most other people working in the field) simply because there is so little accurate information available to consumers. Compared with how much publicity there is about eg. the very small and poorly-understood danger of vaccine damage in a child with no known risk factors, I am constantly amazed by how cavalier people are about exposure to hearing hazards where the probability of damage is much higher and the mechanisms are very well understood. Just because the damage is not immediate and not dramatic doesn't make it any less real.

I have to use headphones for work some of the time, but I am very careful to limit my exposure, and I would never use them for recreational use, eg. to listen to music. Given that children are probably potentially more vulnerable than adults, I can't see any reason why I would want my children to be using headphones.

motherinferior · 12/09/2006 16:37

I was going to post along the lines that Frogs did, but she did it much better than me. Had to write an article on this subject last year.

RNID has a big campaign on this issue too, I seem to remember.

Tex111 · 12/09/2006 16:47

Frogs, thank you so much for that. There's obviously much more to it than I thought. Looks like the Discman is about to go missing...

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