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my parnter gives in to bad behaviour... any advice?

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superdad44 · 21/06/2014 15:01

Hi, I'm new on here and signed up specifically for this question. Firstly I am a 29yr old male & I have an 8yr old son from a previous relationship. My partner is 20 and has a 2yr old boy. Her son is lovely & she is a good mum in that she loves him so much and always puts him first. This is not a dig or a rant at/about her but I need some real advice because the issue is having an affect on the relationship. I have never been in a relationship with anyone younger than me so its a bit of a culture shock and I wonder sometimes if its lack of experience more than anything.
My partner will always choose the easiest parenting option that produces the least amount of hassle rather than 'the best option' for the child and I feel it is having a negative effect. She complains that he cries all the time (which he does) but she will not take on board any of my advice. I am not suggesting that I am an expert but I have been there with my own son and the methods my ex and I used worked! To give you an example of a situation that has just happened. We got a rabbit a few days ago and I'm building a run, it was unfinished and a bit unstable and the 2yr old started jumping on it and swinging it. I asked him not to, he ignored me. His mum asked him not to, he ignored her, she asked him several times before having to physically remove him from it. He then started to scream. After a couple of minutes of screaming he started screaming that he wanted the rabbbit out. I was half way through saying something like "im afraid the rabbit can't come out until you can behave a bit better" but before I finished my partner got the rabbit out for him. I felt quite frustrated so I walked away and whilst inside the house I heard her telling him off for something (i don't know what) and she was telling him to go on the time out step. He ignored her. After a couple of minutes I came outside and said "im thought you put him on the step" she said "yeah" so I said "so why isn't he on it" and she just shrugged it off.
This kind of thing happens all the time and consequently her son will cry for something rather than ask for it. It's not as if he is incapable either because I behave with him as I do with my own & I don't give in to bad behaviour. With me, his behaviour is a million times better. He will ask for what he wants, say please and thankyou etc & if he behaves badly he doesn't get it so he has learnt very quickly to behave.
She has even said to me on numerous occasions "you are so good with him, you always get him to behave" yet she seems unwilling to actually try my methods. The irony is that she is frustrated by his constant screaming & if she put a little bit of hard work in her life would be easier in the long run.
I have tried talking to her about it but I don't want to come across as being critical so its difficult. Any advise on how I go about it?
I'm not some kind of hard line parent, I simply believe in rewarding good behaviour rather than bad and it actually works!

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FromPenToPaper · 22/06/2014 15:10

What do you think of the suggestions that I've made about how to approach this issue with her?

If she's had a turbulent family life herself then she may well not have any positive models for how to parent. However, if she's not interested in making active changes then there's not a huge amount you can do other than to be a consistent and predictable feature of this little boy's life. Whether an inability to effectively parent her child is a deal breaker in terms of a long term relationship is up to you.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 22/06/2014 15:49

I agree with Frompen

"In your position I would be careful not to put yourself forward as a perfect parent (a superdad, say), and all your GF has to do is exactly emulate you and all her behavioural woes with her DS will be solved."

And from your last post, that's what you want to avoid too I think? So in answer to that:

Basically it's super hard to teach your partner how to completely change her parenting style, even if you're factually in the right. Your relationship will become Teacher and Apprentice, and the power dynamic will get all screwed up. So, you need to either find another way of her learning where you aren't the teacher, or you need to let go and let her parent as she is, and have faith that she'll slowly learn some stuff on her own, or learn how to be content in the situation as it is now.

You also have to be honest with yourself here:

  • is her changing a fundamental condition of progressing the relationship?
  • Would you ever be happy with her parenting as she is now, when you're moved in and both children are living under one roof?
  • Or would you keep on pushing her to change and getting progressively more frustrated when she can't?

These aren't judgement style questions, it's ok to say yes or no to them. But they are important questions. And it's not about how much you love each other, it's about how you can live, and what you just won't be happy doing.

I think you'll be dismissing this post, as you know she does want to change - but can I push you on that? Gently? As changing is hard, and is one of the things that trips people up, trips relationships up, which is why people are saying things like 'slow down til you've got this dorted'. I don't think they're trying to be mean, or tell you what you feel isn't real, they're saying, hang on, this is a big deal so make sure you deal with it now rather than further down the road.

One really hard lesson in relationships is that you can't change someone else, no matter how positive the change, no matter how sensible the change. You just can't make someone else change. I know that's a really frustrating thing to understand, and basically, its a bit rubbish for the person who really wants and needs the change to happen. But it's true.

I know you're saying she absolutely wants to change, but how much is driven from you, and her wanting to do the right thing for you, and how much is her genuine and practical wanting to change? People can theoretically want to change but not know how to, or not actually want to do the work to make the change. Motivations to change can run up against motivations not to change, and it's all quite complicated - as humans tend to be!

So, this is why the change has to come from her, and be driven by her, not by you. So I think the solution lies in her.

Goldmandra · 22/06/2014 17:04

A few people have suggested that its too soon to be this involved

I would suggest that the reason you are asking for help is precisely the fact that your relationship is not ready for you to live together. If you can't communicate well enough to manage this situation you will come across dozens more you can't manage if you're trying to live as a family.

I know your frustration. I have a very close friend who frustrates the hell out of me because she doesn't give her children consistent boundaries then ends up exhausted and frustrated because she can't manage their behaviour. She constantly ask me how I do it but rarely puts my advice into practice. She is a lovely kind person and I value her friendship greatly. I find it hard to watch her making her life so much harder than it has to be.

I have tried to help her but we are friends not life partners and I've done all that is appropriate in the context of our friendship. If she were my DH, I would be able to say and do more to make changes because of the depth and security in our relationship.

It sounds like your relationship is closer to that I have with my friend than that I have with my DH in terms of how secure you feel about tackling sticky issues together. You need to build that relationship into something stronger, with more communication, security and resilience, before you can truly work out a way to live together and co-parent these children. If your bond is strong, those things will come with time. That is why so many people are saying that you are trying to tackle this too soon.

Jaffakake · 22/06/2014 19:40

I think some are being a bit harsh to op to be honest. Who are we to judge someone's relationship and their intentions & love for each other from this distance?

I'm in a secure relationship with dh of 6 yrs & partner of 13, father to my ds, but tbh he could have written a similar post about me recently & how when I've been dealing with ds, 2.10, things go wrong & his behaviour is worse than when he deals with him!

I'm very aware at the moment, that some of my ways of dealing with poor behaviour aren't working, but that I'm emulating my parents tactics & it's taking a bit if strength to sit & work out how I could improve. Dh on the other hand can't actually remember how his parents dealt with poor behaviour & there must have been some with 4 boys & a father who worked long hours!

Returning to the original qu of requesting advice as to how to talk to his partner & help her see she can positively influence her child's behaviour, seems a reasonable request from a dad wanting insight into a single mums mind to me.

I would suggest apart from my earlier advice of Supernanny watching, that I think it'll be a bit of a slow burn. Just be on hand as a constructively critical friend to help & support. Try not you get too frustrated & interject. Hopefully as you grow together in your relationship & hopefully as a family unit you can just rub off on her. Also, let some things slide...ds won't wear a bib, but tbh he's a fairly clean eater, but seriously, what's an extra shirt in the wash? Maybe next time you naturally get to talk about it you could encourage her to think about tackling one improvement at a time, maybe the thing that bugs her the most. It makes it all seem more manageable somehow.

Biscuitless · 22/06/2014 22:55

OP, you sound lovely - I agree some posters are being a bit harsh. I wish my DH was half as thoughtful about how to go about dealing with these parenting differences.

Like Jaffakake (biscuit username a complete co-incidence!) I have experience of this from the other side, i.e. the person who is perceived as giving in/pandering too much. Not sure I have any answers but will post more when I have more time in the hope this will help.

BigPigLittlePig · 22/06/2014 23:22

OP, I get you.

When my now husband and I moved in together (engaged) we had been together 6 months - he had a dd who was 3 at the time. His parenting style was very like your partners - anything for an easy life, with shocking role models in his own parents. I actually didn't have any children, but watched a lot of supernanny for some tips (!).

Anyway. There were some things on which I felt very strongly, and , made clear to dh that I just couldn't tolerate in our family home - some house rules. We chatted about them, and how we could acheive them, before we moved in - and to give him his due, he tried, and continues to try, to stick to them. We now have a daughter together, who is 18 months, and dsd is 6.5 - but it has taken 3 years to get to a point where our parenting is similar.

He does still need a gentle, tongue in cheek reminder sometimes though Wink

I think the key is to agree on some things which are deal breakers with regards to his bad behaviour, and how you can help her to tackle them. With time, and seeing a good role model, she will perhaps feel more confident.

It is maddening sometimes though!

superdad44 · 23/06/2014 01:50

Thankyou so much for all of the responses, especially the last few. Some really good points to take on board throughout.... I have to just say about the bib thing though. It doesn't bother me two hoots if she has extra washing to do, I included that as an example of who is making the rules in their relationship (ds - hope I got that right?). What I mean is she complains about all the washing, a fair proportion of it is from a clothes change along with every meal, that's a set on first thing, then another after breakfast, another after lunch and another after tea roughly. She wants him to wear a bib but he kicks off (i hate that term btw) so it was really an example of how she leaves the ds to make the rules. I'm all for empowering kids & picking your battles, sure but this small issue is indicative of all situations, some sadly the parent really has to be the one making the rules.
As much as possible I'm going to try to take a step backwards for a while, a little step. Just be there for her when she needs me really & offer advice if she asks for it.
Before we even consider moving in together I shall ask her if we can work together to achieve a happy medium of parenting. It may not necessarily be a bad thing to have two styles as long as we can successfully blend them. One thing is for sure though, she has spoken lately about feeling broody and we have discussed the option of having a child between us but I'm certainly not comfortable to do that until we are both happy with how we are raising the ones we have already!
Again thankyou for your replies.... and I haven't dismissed any of them, even the ones I haven't been keen on LOL ;)

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Goldmandra · 23/06/2014 07:57

I'm certainly not comfortable to do that until we are both happy with how we are raising the ones we have already!

I wish more people would think like this Smile

unrealhousewife · 23/06/2014 10:40

You have a fundamental problem in your relationship. It's not working as a partnership. This is what needs to change.

mandbaby · 23/06/2014 11:53

I've read all the replies to this with interest, and have to say that I think you've been given an unnecessary hard time by some of the people replying.

It sounds like you know what you want and how you feel and I don't think that 6 months is too soon to realise this. Some people know far sooner when things are right, or at the very least, worth fighting for.

It seems you have your head firmly on your shoulders and you are clearly doing things right. I'm no expert (I wish I was!) but I do know that kids want and in fact NEED boundaries and consistency. It does sound from the examples that you've given (naughty step, not wearing a bib, etc, etc) that your girlfriend lets things go because it's the easiest thing for her to do. And, quite rightly, you know that whilst it might be the easiest thing to do in that moment, all she's doing is making a rod for her own back in the long run.

I think what was suggested above, letting her watch episodes of Supernanny, etc, so that the message gets across from someone else might work.

Without wanting to sound nasty, I know that some people do mature younger than others and have a very grown up head on their shoulders, but it does sound like her age might have something to do with all of this. I'm not suggesting that young people can't be good mothers - of course they can, but she does sound (from what you've said) a little on the immature side. I'm so sorry if I'm out of order saying that or if I'm completely wrong about it - obviously I don't know her or you, but it does seem like your attitude towards parenting and relationships is very different than hers.

I suppose you have two options:

  1. sit her down and be honest with her like you've been on here (this could go one of 3 ways: she could resent you and your honesty and get angry and the relationship may deterioriate; she could listen without taking offence, but not change; or she could listen, take it on board and you will see some positive changes.)
  2. Do the slowly-slowly-catchy-monkey technique. Continue doing what you do and she will eventually realise that the majority of times it achieves better outcomes than doing it her own way. Watch supernanny, and possibly buy a parenting book and leave it lying around somewhere at your place and hope she notices it.

Good luck x

Trollsworth · 23/06/2014 11:58

The thing is, she doesn't want to listen to yu on how to be a better parent, she wants you to do it for her.

DoingItForMyself · 23/06/2014 12:09

I haven't read the thread yet, so not up to speed on any updates, but as I need to get on with some work now I will reply anyway and read later!

It sounds to me like you have a good attitude to consistency and discipline and that your DP could certainly do with employing some of your tactics. If you are living together then you should probably have a sit down chat about expectations of each other, how your family will work as a unit etc.

Parenting conflicts are the main source of frustration on the step parenting boards and most of the women are at the end of their tether with lax dads who are more interested in being a cross between a best mate and Santa Claus to their DCs rather than being a proper parent.

I think you need to talk to your dp about the strain it puts on your relationship when you see her giving into her DS's demands, try to be respectful of the fact that it's her first time round and she may feel patronised or belittled if you are overly critical of her parenting skills due to your previous experience, so try to make it about 'family rules' that apply to both of your children (& any that may come later!)

I have lost my rag with my dp on several occasions about the way he is with his youngest, it really makes me lose respect for him when I see him giving into to her whining. Things have improved, but I am always mindful that he will give into her for a quiet time or because he feels guilty that he's not with her all the time, so when he is, he doesn't want to leave it on a bad note.

It's a tricky road to navigate and it's no wonder that a high percentage of step families fail as a result. There was a thread on here about 'who would get involved with someone with DCs if they had their time again' - it was an almost unanimous no!

DoingItForMyself · 23/06/2014 12:28

Didn't do any work. Read the thread instead!

With regard to the meal time thing, let the bib go, but have a rule that everyone sits at the table and has to ask to get down. That is a rule which can apply equally to you all.

At my DP's house his DCs are allowed to eat wandering round, they take food and drink to their rooms, they are allowed colouring pens and TV in bed etc.

They know that at my house (even if they need reminding) they sit down to eat, they don't take pens upstairs, it's only water with dinner, not squash etc. they have to accept that I have a different rules to their dad.

If we ever lived together (unlikely due to school issues and inevitable parenting clashes ) we would have to decide which rules are worth sticking to and which can be a bit more flexible. Eg I might bend the squash rule, but I wouldn't want ink on the bedding or food on the sofa, so those rules would stay in any home of mine, for any child living or staying there.

Pick your battles essentially!

Biscuitless · 23/06/2014 13:47

Hi, am posting now with the promised thoughts. It is interesting to see what a lot of different perspectives this thread has thrown up.

I think there are two issues - (a) understanding why your DP is adopting this approach (considering her perspective may help you find constructive ways of approaching your differences) and (b) finding ways to help her adopt different parenting strategies that are more effective. Apologies in advance for the long post, but I hope there are some points that may be useful.

Now none of us are in a position to answer (a) - you mention some back history which may be relevant here and no doubt you will be able to ponder whether any of what I say below could be relevant. But I do question whether the "anything for an easy life" "lazy" explanations for the behaviour are accurate. It sounds like your DP actually spends much of her time running around after her DS and she would actually find it easier if she was firmer. You say that she would do anything for him. I therefore wonder whether it might help to look elsewhere for explanations for her behaviour - this might help you address things more effectively with her (although carrying out a big post-mortem investigation of her motives with her would probably just annoy her!)

As I mentioned, I am often perceived by my DH as giving in too much to my DS and I would say the behaviour perceived as "pandering" isn't motivated by a desire for an easy life but rather as follows:

(1) a desire, an overwhelming biological desire, to look after and care for my DS. I never had any experience with children before him. During his babyhood I learnt to respond immediately to his cries, indeed wherever possible to anticipate his needs, and this responsive parenting is generally praised by society as good with a baby. However it can be difficult for the mother of the growing toddler to recognise that the child is growing up and to adapt her strategies (I smiled when I came across the below webpage from Dr Sears). Your DP probably still views her DS as her baby.

www.askdrsears.com/topics/parenting/child-rearing-and-development/fathering/father-worrry-wifes-too-attached

You mention the fact that her DS cries rather than talks to her to ask for things. You clearly have observed them carefully. It took a while for me to observe that this was happening with my own DS. Indeed, I think that I had always throughout his life responded so intuitively to his needs that he assumed that I just always knew what he needed - fine with a baby (where it is food/sleep/cuddles), impossible with a toddler when it is more eccentric things they want, such as "only cut my food with the green knife not the red one" Once I realised this I used a similar strategy to you - "no DS I don't know what you want, can you tell me" and with a bit of repetition this sank in. But I wonder whether this tells you something about the dynamics that are still going on?

In similar vein, a 2 year old who wants to hold a rabbit (using your opening example) is probably genuinely upset about it and she is probably motivated to respond to calm that upset.

This responding as if he is a baby motivation for her parenting style will probably diminish with time as she recognises that he is becoming more independent. A 3 year old is a lot more clearly an individual in his own right. In the meantime providing a role model for an alternative parenting style is probably the most powerful thing you can do. I certainly always watched and adopted strategies from friends. It may not be sinking in now, but when she is ready to make that mental move on she will have a whole host of strategies to draw on, and you indicate you are prepared to give this time.

(2) Secondly there might be something in her background. Does she lack assertiveness? If so it can be tough round kids when one DOES need for their own good to assert boundaries. Some issues in my own background made me scared of conflict, which I felt I had to avoid at all costs. I had spent my whole life practising doing this. It was then stressful and difficult coming up against a demanding toddler as one's instincts are saying "you've got to keep others happy". Indeed something which may seem normal and no problem to you (stating and enforcing some rule) can seem a huge thing - as if one is being really mean and has drawn a really big line in the sand. This aspect requires practice (in the same way as one would do if doing CBT therapy for example) - one practices saying "no", seeing that actually the reaction isn't so bad, then next time it doesn't seem quite so uncomfortable, and so on. I am still surprised when my DC do what I ask!

I don't know whether any of the above resonate. I am sure there are many other possible motivators, these are just the two ones I am aware of in myself, but my main point is that it could well be more complex than "laziness". Some of these motivators cloud one's judgment making it impossible to see that actually a different way would be better, as it just seems so unnatural/uncomfortable.

I don't know HOW to resolve your differences. My bet would be that rather than ultimatums, "slowly slowly catchee monkey" is likely to be your best bet. I think parenting issues are difficult to resolve because each person is motivated by an overwhelming need to do the best by their children and when you passionately believe that your way is right and the other's is not, it is hard to listen to someone telling you that you are doing it wrong and that you have to do something different that feels completely unnatural.

From my perspective, I would say make sure you give her plenty of praise. You say she loves her DS unreservedly. Make sure she knows that you have noticed this and compliment her where you can - all the business literature on people management always talks about praising before offering constructive criticism. Also some people don't react well to being told what to do / sitting down to agree rules. You may find it works better in the long run simply to offer an example and give her time. I know I will defend my corner to the death, but secretly afterwards may admit to myself that maybe the other person had a point, and quietly start to adopt some of their suggestions. Example is the most powerful tool. Wait till she is in a better, more receptive state mentally to have a formal discussion. It sounds like if you try now it will fail.

Finally, your DS is now 8 years old so you have been through the toddler years and come out wiser the other side. Your DP is still learning and to some extent needs learn at her own pace. Recently I was reflecting on how with the first DC it is really an experiment, as one is learning on the job. I am sure that I will parent my second DC very differently and be firmer from the start.

superdad44 · 23/06/2014 14:46

Wow, thankyou for those last few responses. Biscuitless a lot of what you said 'resonates' actually... Thankyou so much.

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