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Please advise me re sleep / anxiety issues

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StickyFloor · 07/01/2014 12:51

I have 10 yo twins (Y6). Over the years they have been difficult sleepers but we got there in the end we thought. Last October I was in hospital for a while unexpectedly then recuperating at home. All very sudden and disruptive, then we had the excitement of Christmas, then sadness of extended family going home, then going back to school yesterday, and it seems to have knocked them off balance completely.

So for the last 10 days, DS will not settle at all at bedtime unless I stay upstairs. If I go down he sits on the loo waiting and eventually starts shouting and sobbing until I give in. One evening he made himself physically sick through yelling so I haven't left him again. During the day he is mostly ok but tends to follow me about a bit. Generally he is an anxious child, won't go on playdates, doesn't like going anywhere just loves being at home pottering around. Fine at school usually. But he has eating issues and gets very anxious about food too. Once I come upstairs he immediately stops fussing and goes to sleep.

DD is generally happy and confident, more adventurous than her brother. At bedtime she is now crying, not happy with me upstairs even and cries until I actually get in bed with her.

We have tried to get them to articulate their particular fears but there is nothing specific, they just want me. We have tried being reassuring but they just like me to give in. So now we are trying being cross and punishing them for being naughty. Doesn't seem to make any difference, they take the punishment (eg no screens until this all stops) and then the nights are the same.

So what do I do? Dh and I are at the end of our tether - we can't just leave them crying as they set each other off and we have neighbours to consider. It means we don't have any sort of an evening together and the whole house has an unhappy atmosphere with this issue looming every night.

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puntasticusername · 07/01/2014 13:08

I don't think getting cross and imposing sanctions is the best solution in this case. If they are genuinely upset (and it sounds as if they are) they need reassurance and support, not punishment.

And at 10, they are too old to be left to themselves and encouraged to "self settle".

What about some form of gradual retreat?

ChilliQueen · 07/01/2014 13:17

Hello... not sure I can help, however I think perhaps you being in hospital might have triggered this... I can only explain it how it happened to me...
When I was 8 or 9 the man who lived next door to me suddenly died after a short illness. He was my best friends dad. I was terrified my dad/mum were going to leave me too (not sure I understood dead... but I did understand not there anymore). I would not let my parents out of my sight. Bedtime was a nightmare for them. I used to make them both stay in my room for as long as possible whilst I said prayers that they'd never leave me, then I used to have to have all the lights on and doors open so I could hear where they were. I banned them from going outside or anywhere that I couldn't hear their movement. I was terrified of something happening to them. I remember it vividly... and I'm nearly 50.
Could you going into hospital suddenly have made them worry so much about you not being there anymore (sorry no idea what what was wrong with you... hope it's all OK now). Did they understand why you were in hospital? Sorry... not sure would have helped much.

StickyFloor · 07/01/2014 13:25

Thanks for replies. I am sure that me being in hospital did trigger this. I had a major op and am still not quite ok now although they know it was nothing life threatening and I won't need to go back to hospital again (hopefully!)

They are genuinely upset, but reassuring doesn't make any difference. They want me to stay with them and that is that. We are giving in because we don't know what to do but I don't see how this will change anytime soon.

Tonight we are planning to put them in bed 8.30 let them read for a bit then lights off and I will stay in my room after that. Don't know if this will be good enough for dd. I want to go downstairs when they are asleep but I fear they will actually try and stay awake for as long as possible in case I make a move.

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ChilliQueen · 07/01/2014 13:33

Give it time. They obviously love you and were probably very worried... they may still be worried. 10 is very young. To be honest, I would do whatever they need you to do... sleep in their rooms, be close, comfort them, show them you're not going to be going away again any time soon, and I reckon within a few weeks it'll be back to normal. Make sure they understand exactly what was wrong and why you had to be in hospital, and try and get them to articulate their feelings about why they want you so close - even if they just use specific words, not sentences. I think they're probably very frightened. Please don't punish them. Time will make it better.

StickyFloor · 07/01/2014 14:02

WOW I have got this so wrong. I am so angry and frustrated and fed up and not seeing it from their POV at all. To me 10 is quite grown up (!) and I can't understand at all why they are being so irrational.

So early consensus is that I need to stay calm and be more sympathetic until they settle down. Thanks for showing me another side to this.

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ChilliQueen · 07/01/2014 14:17

Don't worry... my DS had a problem not sleeping when he was just over 1 year old (happened out of the blue - no idea why). I had no patience with it... I just wanted my life AND VERY PRECIOUS EVENINGS to go as they should! I got very irritated and angry about it. It's normal. We all want our lives to run as smoothly as possible, and for our children to be happy. I gave in/up eventually, ignored Gina Ford (though I do like some of her organisational stuff) and slept on the floor next to his bed. Occasionally after a few nights I managed to crawl back to my own bed. Whole scenario resolved within 3 weeks. Obviously massive difference between 1 and 10 years old, but I think they just need to know you're there for them and safe. Good luck!

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