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Please please advise on child at group who scratches and hits constantly

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someothermother · 15/07/2006 11:00

I have changed name for this. I am involved with a toddler group and an 18 m old there is constantly hitting and scratching other children, usually younger ones who are at floor level. Obviously this is upsetting for everyone. Child's mother asked me for advice before she brought the child to the group, and I advised her to follow her dd everywhere and physically stop her before she can do it. This is not happening. Mother is chatting to someone else and the little girl wanders off and hurts another child. Other mothers in tears - one little girl was hurt 4 times in one session with dreadful scratches on her face, one scratch near her eye.

I spoke to the mother again about making sure she is with her daughter and she said she doesn't need to be right next to her, because she can tell when she's going to do it, but that she wasn't watching at that particular moment. She also said "And I take her off into the corner when she has done it" (Time Out style, and she also speaks to her firmly and tells her not to do it)

I don't think this is working and I want to ring her and say that she needs to stay right next to her daughter and prevent this happening until this stage has passed. Is this a reasonable request? Has anyone any other ways of dealing with it? Thanks so much in advance, I am feeling very upset and stressed by the whole situation and don't want to make things worse, but feel that it's impossible as it is. I understand she probably cannot stop every single scratch or bite, but I saw it happen 4 times myself and I was only in the room for about 10 minutes.

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NotQuiteCockney · 15/07/2006 21:45

I reported it too, just to confuse them.

Pollyanna · 15/07/2006 21:47

I think the only thing you can do is ask her to stay with the child all the time. tbh she should do that anyway. I am mortified when dd3 attacks the other babies - and she does it if she is left alone for a minute. Tough, she won't get to talk to other parents, but it is better than having to leave, having other babies hurt, and having all the other mothers hate you when their baby is attacked.

The only other suggestion I have, is that dd3 definitely attacks more babies when she is tired - has she considered this might be a trigger?

I don't think the baby can be disciplined. My dd seems to find it funny to attack others. There isn't any trigger and their is no logical reason why she picks certain babies as her target. I am just hoping it is a phase.

Pollyanna · 15/07/2006 21:48

there not their

someothermother · 15/07/2006 21:49

Don't worry, NQC. For some reason I always find I am constantly on the brink of using your real first name on here - so I am sure I will slip up one day on that.

Pollyanna, her dd is definitely very tired at the moment. I am sure this stinks, for both of them.

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NotQuiteCockney · 15/07/2006 21:52

I'm not terribly protective about separating my IRL identity and my online one. Which is good as three or four people have worked out who I am from on here. But my irl name is pretty unique (although not that unique! I met another MN mum a little while ago, and she introduced herself, and I had to say "me too!". Too strange!), so probably best not used ...

Ugh, we've had co-op kids who were very tired, and it's hard to tell parents that.

NotQuiteCockney · 15/07/2006 21:53

Oh, and our super-tired kid was a biter who went after babies (siblings brought in, as he was the youngest kid there, when I was there). Ack ack ack.

Pollyanna · 15/07/2006 21:54

If she is anything like me, she would appreciate help in stopping it. It makes going out a real trial (and I have to - dd2 can't stay in the house all day every every day).

Squarer · 15/07/2006 21:58

Someothermother, there is a thread that you can help with on active convo's now. Please

NotQuiteCockney · 15/07/2006 22:00

I can ask our super-nursery-manager how she deals with it, but I think it probably comes down to the gentle touch apology type stuff I mentioned before. I don't think these things can be fixed in a moment.

Squarer · 15/07/2006 22:04

I agree with that NCQ - but I don't think it is Someothers responsibility to see it come about. I know you are not implying this, but am adding some bluster. You can probably tell I have issues with others and their responsibilities!

someothermother · 15/07/2006 22:11

Squarer, sorry, could you give me a clue which one?

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NotQuiteCockney · 15/07/2006 22:12

It's in food.

NotQuiteCockney · 15/07/2006 22:12

You'll know it when you see it.

someothermother · 15/07/2006 22:13

And squarer, I don't think it is my responsibility alone, but I am the one who will cop some of the flak (and lose customers) if I don't.

The atmosphere is dreadful, apart from anything else. Someone has to do something - it's going to be me.

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someothermother · 15/07/2006 22:13

Oh

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Squarer · 15/07/2006 22:48

I think that those bare bones are how you are going to have to view it Someother. If you do something about it you might lose one customer (obviously I don't know about what has gone off between you recently). And if you don't, you might lose a handful of aggrieved customers, which never make for good business. If it is a business as you suggest then you need to take that view.
I always wish life was as easy as the clearcut view though. Good luck with what you choose

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