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8yr old -vs- 2 yr old

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skittle2b · 06/11/2013 18:30

Hey gang.. so I'm trying to find the balance between teaching my older boy to be independent and having to help the youngest. Not to say that I help the youngest too much but that he needs more help/time/attention because he's younger. So it seems to the older that I'm favoring the youngest or that I don't want to give my time to him.

I'm always feeling guilty and thinking about how I "should have" handled a situation...!

How do the great parents do it?

I find the oldest is starting to feel bad about himself. Any slight tip or advice and feels criticized.
Help!

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grants1000 · 06/11/2013 20:05

I have two boys aged 6 and 11, just under 5 years between. My best advice is to remember that even though one in older and one is younger, they are different children, just because one is older does not mean he needs less help, just different help and vice versa. He may be older but he's still 8, sooo little still, so don't expect too much. My eldest really responds to one on one time, we just had a hoot doing his German translation homework whilst DS2 was happy as larry on sky landers with a biscuit! I think the eldest notice more, the youngest don't, so more one on onetime will the eldest fills up their pot more if you see what I mean.

Andro · 06/11/2013 23:50

he needs more help true in practical terms /time probably /attention wrong, your eldest desperately needs you attention - especially if his self esteem is taking a hit

One on one time for each child (and with each parent where possible), doing a few activities where the younger one has to 'fit in' so that the older one doesn't feel as though they're living in the land of lowest common denominator, talk to your eldest about how he's feeling (and make sure he knows that he will not be in trouble for being honest...even if you don't like what he's saying), have sensible expectations - your eldest will seem so much bigger/stronger/more mature and it's very easy for expectations to go awry.

I find the oldest is starting to feel bad about himself. Any slight tip or advice and feels criticized.

This is telling. That type of response suggests insecurity, I'd investigate whether he's feeling as though he's not good enough/find out why he feels this way. Have you gone through a phase where your youngest has been super demanding and most of the attention aimed at your eldest has been about making your life easier by increasing his independence/speed/etc (or even if he could have perceived it as such)?

How much positive reinforcement has he been receiving? However well intended, a consistent flow of 'if you do xxx, yyy will be faster', 'you could do xxx instead of zzz' or have you tried doing yyy instead of xxx? you might find it works better' sends a bad impression - but it tends to be something that builds up over time.

skittle2b · 07/11/2013 17:55

Thank-you.. I've heard every word and I needed to. How deep should the conversation go? Sometimes I feel like it's too much for him to handle. Like the things I say are way over his head.

I've thought about bringing the subject up and apologizing. How far should the conversation go? Will it change his view of me or make it worse?

After the apology I'll have to make real changes. Any advice?

I'm trying to learn another style of parenting. I feel like what I have been doing is wrong but it's all I know. What do other people do??
Thanx so much for listening.

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skittle2b · 07/11/2013 18:11

"doing a few activities where the younger one has to 'fit in' so that the older one doesn't feel as though they're living in the land of lowest common denominator"

  • This whole paragraph hit the spot. Thank-you for this advice. "Have you gone through a phase where your youngest has been super demanding "
  • We're in one right now. "most of the attention aimed at your eldest has been about making your life easier by increasing his independence"
  • Very much so... But I think it would have been anyway. I feel like it's time he learn to do things independently. Ex- small bike rides, making his bed, homework.
    "How much positive reinforcement has he been receiving?"
  • I'm always very open and candid with praise. I know he believes me when I give it. We always have great hugs and I tell him I love him all the time. I do try to spend one-on-one and recognize how important that time is. Lately he's been refusing to come out with me. Hiking, cooking, shopping..just day to day activities. He's no longer interested. I thought it was his age and it was natural but now I wonder? I don't want to force him to do things. I have in the past and it never works out. How do I spend time with him? It's almost like he is saying "No" to everything so he can hurt me or get back at me. "sends a bad impression - but it tends to be something that builds up over time."
  • 100% I need to fix this.
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skittle2b · 07/11/2013 18:16

There is all of that and yet I also feel like I smother him. I'm a stay at home mother and these days it feels like everything is about them. To the point where it's too much. I have no interests of my own. I'm afraid he feels guilty when he does say No. Almost like he feels responsible for me not going to whatever it was.

I'm really unloading here for the first time ever! I'm so glad I found this site. It feels good to write some of this stuff down and begin to figure it out. :)

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Andro · 07/11/2013 18:41

To some extent, let your DS dictate the depth of conversation. He may be reluctant to confide much at first, but if so that should improve with time.

My dc appreciate honesty, I've found that telling them that I will always do my best, but sometimes even grownups get things wrong helps. Admitting that I have handled a situation badly has never had a negative effect on my dc's opinions of me, what it does is model the behaviour of admitting to errors, correcting them where possible and learning from them. DH and I also have a policy of 'you will never be punished for what you feel, only for what you express badly' so:

A discussion or journal entry (ds used to find this easier) saying that dc1 'hated' dc2, wished dc2 had never been born and that dc2 had destroyed dc1's life would incur neither correction nor sanction. What it would do would be open a dialogue so I could find out why dc1 was feeling that way - dc1 has the right to feel whatever they are feeling - so that I could try and help.

Alternatively, dc1 venting their frustration by hitting out would incur an immediate sanction for the behaviour - and the reasons would be discussed once everyone was calm.

(the example above could easily be re-worded with you as the target of his dislike either, depending on what he's feeling)

To use an example from your OP:

Any slight tip or advice and feels criticized.

I'd find a time when I could sit/cuddle with him so that he was the sole focus of your attention and gently ask him about it. Tell him you're worried that he seems to feel picked on and criticized and ask him if that is actually the case. Reassure him that he won't get into trouble for being honest and that you really need to know how he feels so you can help. It may take some time, but if he gives you an indication that he's interpreting your word/ actions negatively then your response is a huge hug and THANK YOU to him for telling you. You're sorry it's come across that way and you didn't mean it like that - keep the apology for when you identify something you realise you've done wrong, that way it means something definitive. Then ask him what he thinks will help - he might not know - but try and find out what it is about the situation that makes it feel bad (timing/tone/feels like its about you or his sibling rather than helping him/etc). Lots of hugs and reassurance that mum is going to work on it and that if he's feeling bad again to let you know.

Sometimes with my DS a whole tsunami of issues have come rolling out in one go and the only way I've been able to deal with it is to acknowledge it at the time, hugs etc and then talk about it more in the following days (having discussed what he has said with DH so that we can work out together what our approach should be) - this is because my DS's emotion dumps tend to happen at 9pm or there abouts!

The biggest change I think you may need to make (just from reading your posts) is to remember that you DS1 is only 8, if you think a lot of what you're saying is going over his head you have almost certainly diagnosed your own problem. Get to know your son as he is and set your expectations accordingly. Oh and find some way of keeping the lines of communication open, so he knows he can talk to you without being bushed off in favour of the younger one's needs/wants/tantrums. It's not easy and changing the way you interact may well take time (and you may backslide), but he will almost certainly appreciate the effort you make.

Good luck...and well done if you've made it through my ramble and got anything useful from it.

skittle2b · 07/11/2013 19:06

Thank-you again, I've read and re-read and will write again later. However, I do want to ask this question before I forget. The 2 yr old will be waking up soon!

After I talk with him I find he uses what I have said as a reason to not listen. Ex- "..but Mom you said you would go easier on me and now your forcing me to make my bed!" How do I explain the difference between growing up and letting him be?

I'm not sure if you understand that but i'll write again tomorrow. Thanx for the advice.

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LeMousquetaireAnonyme · 07/11/2013 19:11

Have you try the reverse talk, story telling? When you were 2 I used to do this with you and help you... DD1 loves it when I do that, mind you my problem is the opposite of you.
How to stop the 3 yo do exactly the same as the 8yo? Confused without a tantrum

LeMousquetaireAnonyme · 07/11/2013 19:13

Oh, 1 to 1 time with DD1, girls or boy (with dad only), is great.

Andro · 07/11/2013 21:31

Have an agreed morning routine/task list. My DS doesn't have assigned chores because he's extremely worryingly tidy, but he does have a morning routine that includes opening curtains and making his bed.

Again it's communication, being 8 he has more responsibilities than the 2yo (making his bed/putting his coat on the peg/homework) but he should also have more privileges (make sure you have a list of current privileges in your head/on a pad before talking to him). Some of this will depend on whats been going over his head, but you will then be able to explain the difference between basics such as siding his coat because he's now tall enough to reach and expecting him to have teenager/adult coping ability when things go wrong (which links in to the rest of what you're trying to do - you've recognised that he's not coping emotionally so now you're going to help/support him, but that doesn't change the fact that he's big enough to hang his coat/make his bed). Make it clear that his brother will be expected to do these things as he gets older as well/he didn't have to do xzy when he was 2 either.

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