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DS is completely different child at nursery from home - help please! (Long)

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RubyrooUK · 30/10/2013 20:14

I am worried about my 3.2 year old DS1. He will start school next year and yet given his current experience at nursery, I am worried about how much he will struggle.

DS1 has attended nursery since 9mo (a lovely family run place where he has the same staff caring for him now, attending a mix of full time and part time over that time depending on my work) and he seems attached to some people there but I'm not sure whether he is happy.

He has always been incredibly shy with other children and adults. It took him a long time to settle at nursery. At home he is not at all quiet - very loud and very engaged, very tactile, imaginative and loving.

When he was a baby, he used to just shut his eyes and pretend people weren't there if he didn't want to interact. He doesn't do that now, but he just pretends not to hear them.

At nursery, his key worker says that he only likes and chooses to play with one boy, who he really gets on with (we have had play dates outside nursery too). Otherwise he is not bothered. He doesn't really interact with other children at all. Occasionally he has mad days he can't explain where he pushes this other little boy, who is another shy little boy who doesn't seem quite as emotional as my DS, but that is his only real "bad" behaviour anywhere. Otherwise he is rarely aggressive but just seems detached.

Often he will sit at the nursery activity tables - eg. drawing, cooking etc - but refuse to do anything (but also refuse to move on and do anything else). He will play with trains, dinosaurs and books but nothing else.

He always says he likes nursery if I ask (he is pretty vocal about what he doesn't like so would he lie?) although he did tell me he was bored the other day. He tells me he plays with a wide group of kids and tells me their names, but the key worker says he never plays with them at all.

This is totally different from at home, where he is so so busy all the time. He plays lots of imaginative games either with his toys or with his baby brother. He loves drawing and is never idle for a second. He isn't confident with other kids out of nursery - his first reaction is often to be awkward and hostile - but often meets another child at the park and then ends up playing wizards or pirates with them and seems to relish their company. He doesn't seem to have any problem playing with other children when he feels like it.

In terms of learning, he knows numbers and can identify numbers of objects up to around 20. He knows his letters and recognises some words by sight. He points out letters on signs all the time and increasingly points out words. His key worker says she thinks he would do well academically in reception right now but would get lost socially. For example, although she can see him mouthing the answers when she asks questions at circle time, if she calls on him, he will remain silent.

We are having a proper meeting with his key worker to talk about how she can encourage him to play more, show confidence, interact etc but I am at a loss. He just isn't like that at home - he is an extremely interactive child who has spent the whole evening telling me he loves me and giving me commands from the bow of his ship (the sofa) as I am Pirate Cabin Girl Mummy while he is Pirate Captain DS1 - so I don't know how to tackle it.

Any advice?

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RubyrooUK · 30/10/2013 21:00

Any help? Thank you.

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DontNickMyMilk · 30/10/2013 21:24

I can understand how this is worrying you. I'm sorry I can't give professional help, but just my opinion.

DD (now age 6) is a different child at school to what she is at home, and was at nursery. I have not been able to recognise the child in reports and parents evenings. In my situation, DD is very mouthy, forthright, stubborn and aggressive at home. She is sweetness and light at school and was at nursery too. She also has a tendancy to say things that are blatently untrue, but would be believed by many, including myself. I think that even small children tell tall tales, and I think it might be might be that on some level they say what they believe to be true or what they want to be true. Hard though it is, I'm not sure it's really lying in the way us adults understand it.

It sounds like he is in a good nursery environment and it sounds like you trust them. The meeting sounds very encouraging - and maybe they will come up with some strategies to try. However, I found that our nursery's aim to encourage confidence around others (e.g. speaking up at circle time) didn't do anything. I don't know whether that is to do with the child or the implementation (or not) of the strategy.

Does he get to mix with other children, other than nursery? e.g. neighbours, cousins, friends' children not at his nursery?

It is only October now - it is a very long time until next September. Your son will be doing a lot of growing up between now and then. He will grow up, develop and mature at his own pace - there will be children in his class at school who are more and less socially competent than him, and more and less academically competent. Kids are all different. They all get to "levels" at different times.

However, if you genuinely feel that there is something is not right with him and you have genuine concerns, seek professional help. The nursery will be able to reassure if he is nothing out of the ordinary (they'll have seen hundreds of three year olds), or be able to signpost you if they think your concerns are justified. Sadly, I think you'll have to be the one doing the running around to get a referral/assessment, rather than someone flagging it up to you. I don't know whether you're best going through your Health Visitor, GP, or Childrens' Services - maybe someone else can help on that front.

I have also asked myself whether DD is "normal", especially when I have found her behaviour challenging - should I have got some help? I have high standards/expectations and I have to confess it doesn't doesn't always help me. Sorry, I've given an equally long reply and I don't know how much help I've been!

RubyrooUK · 30/10/2013 21:53

Thank you Dont. That was a really useful post.

Yes, DS does mix with children outside nursery. At a recent party, he and two other three year olds he didn't know were running round playing until he got scared by their game of monsters. He gets on well with the two daughters of my good friends and always loves seeing them. He gets on really well with his female cousin who is 4 and likes to play long games with her. So it isn't like he doesn't play with other children.

That is why I'm so confused by his behaviour at nursery. His key worker says it's like he is very detached but she knows he absorbs everything because he mentions it later or I mention he has done it at home. Eg. he won't want to join in a game at nursery then will come home and teach me how to play the game.

Nobody seems to be saying "X is wrong with your child" to us. His key worker feels that because he doesn't really behave badly, he just opts out, he just fades into the background and she can't understand why he doesn't interact more when she knows he can.

I wonder sometimes about speaking to someone but not sure who I would speak to. He isn't really aggressive. He is very tactile and seems very aware of emotional/social situations at home (lots of looking after his younger brother, empathising and so on). So based on his behaviour with me, apart from finding him incredibly stubborn - like me and DH - and a bit emotional, I wouldn't worry. It's just the nursery behaviour I find so odd and worry it will carry on at school.

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vorpent · 30/10/2013 21:56

I'm probably totally wide of the mark here, but I'll share what happened with my two, in case it's useful. My older ds was a bit disengaged at nursery, and a few years later was diagnosed with dyspraxia. My younger one looks like he might be headed the same way. His nursery teachers asked if his hearing was OK, because he seems not to always hear people calling his name. Apparently, he 'wanders around in his own little world, not interacting with other children'. Just like my older one, when he was that age. I'm sure his hearing is OK, btw.

Now, having been through this once before, I'm pretty sure that the disengagement is due to sensory processing disorder, in particular difficulty processing sounds and suppressing background noise. Essentially both my DSs find noisy, busy environments seriously overwhelming. It could be worth investigating, maybe? What is your ds like in busy, crowded environments? Have you taken him to any birthday parties or suchlike? Think about how he acted. Did he cling to you, or go off and play somewhere quiet? Or get really over-excited? Those could be suggestive of having some sort of problem with over-stimulating environments.

RubyrooUK · 30/10/2013 22:02

That's interesting Vorpent. Thank you. I suppose it could be that, but he has never really shown any sensitives to noise. At a party, he would be shy initially and want to stay with me and probably be running round chasing balloons with another small child giggling by the end. I will have a read about it though, just in case it rings any bells. Thanks again!

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RubyrooUK · 03/11/2013 19:23

Any other advice from the Sunday evening Mumsnetters? (Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to read and comment.)

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