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2.5 yr old dd & 6 wk old ds...how to cope with sleep deprivation and terrible 2's...?! (HELP!!! Warning: LONG)

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ThreeBecameFour · 02/10/2013 11:15

DD 2.5 has a new brother who arrived 6 weeks ago by c section. She has adjusted well to him, she is loving towards him and her games with dolls all revolve around him, so all good except for the occasional swipe at him because he is taking up my attention. She was upset at me not being able to lift her and having 'a sore tummy so we have to be careful' so DH did a lot more of the looking after her. But now I am better that helps. All normal so far...

DD has never been a great sleeper. She has a good bedtime routine and goes to bed fine. The issue is waking in the night and calling out and then having to be led back to bed. She can fall asleep within 5 minutes again normally. The last week or so things have escalated and last night she woke every hour wanting me and sometimes not settling for 45 mins! She is not ill. She has a gate on her door and sleeps in a toddler bed. She likes her room and her bed and her cuddly toys. So nothing is scary around her. I know this is all to do with sharing me and not her little world being turned upside down. She is either really lovely in the day or her tantrums reach epic levels. All normal at this age too? But the sleep deprivation and coping with whinging and screaming is proving to be really hard for me. She is in nursery 3 days a week (M, W, F) and nursery are also worried mainly about her lack of sleep. She loves it and loves seeing her friends but being over tired causes issues when she wakes from her nap there (she has been crying for me) and she falls asleep in activities. She normally has a 1-1.5hr after lunch nap (we tried cutting it out to see if she would sleep. It was not a good idea! She still needs it!) We have sought help from a sleep consultant a number of times since she was born and I have sought advice from anyone and everyone. It just seems she is an early riser usually any time from 5am and will wake in the night. It doesn't seem to have affected her development but I am concerned about her not sleeping properly. Waking once or twice is fine but nearly every hour last night while I am coping with a 6 week old is tough. Ironically, the 6 week old wakes only once or twice for feeds and then sleeps better than dd! (Oh how I wish he will continue to be a good sleeper) DH helps where he can but she will often have a meltdown in the small hours if it isn't me who goes to her but will eventually accept him settling her.

Tantrum we try to be consistent in the house with warnings for being naughty (hitting, throwing food etc) and then sitting on the naughty step (not sure it actually works), but around that there are lots of cuddles and trying to do family activities or give her special one to one time. However she will do things on purpose to get a reaction from me, like hit me, get told off and hit me again. Take a swipe at ds, shout No at everything etc I just feel I am cross with her a lot.... I am on my knees with tiredness and really look forward to nursery days as I can just do as little as possible at home with ds (I feel guilty about this as not spending time with dd) as the thought of terrible 2's etc fill me with dread. We try to limit activities on her home days to 1-2 things a day so she doesn't get over tired. I am even thinking being at work is easier that all of this due to being so tired.. I should be enjoying my mat leave with both ds and dd!!!! Sleep seems to be the main issue here, but the meltdowns are also cause for concern. (The neighbours must hate us..) We over analysed sleep forever in our house so stopped doing it to try to be less negative, but the last week has been hell.

I know things have got worse due to her world changing.. If you have managed to read this far does anyone have advice on how to make things better? Should I approach things differently?

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ThreeBecameFour · 02/10/2013 19:11

Anyone? I know it was a huge post...but would welcome thoughts on improving sleep and copinguyen with the terrible twos.....getting desperate...

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ThreeBecameFour · 02/10/2013 19:11

*coping

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stargirl1701 · 02/10/2013 19:18

If you have gone to the lengths of a sleep consultant, things must be really awful for everyone. I gently ask whether you would consider speaking to your GP about using medication to help your DD sleep. Sleep deprivation is truly hellish. My DD slept about 40 minutes per 12 hours at 4/5 months and I thought I was going mad.

I hope more people come along soon with better advice than mine! Thinking of you and congrats on your LO Grin

cantthinkofagoodone · 02/10/2013 19:26

I'm sorry you're having a rough time. I only have one but he is a bad sleeper so I know the exhaustion. At 2.5 you could start with gro clocks and reward charts. I would be quite firm. If she is waking for you, only send in dh. Remember short term pain!

Don't feel bad about nursery. It's important that you have 1 on 1 time with your newborn. Take all the help you can. You have a newborn! Try not to expect too much of yourself, your dd will also learn to share.

This too shall pass!

CuriosityCola · 02/10/2013 19:44

You are not alone. My ds is 2 and ds2 is 3 months. I could have written your post, except ds1 isn't at nursery.

We have solved the night time issue with dh doing the nighttime routine and then he will go to ds1 at first wakening and sleep in same bed for the rest of the night. Ds has a full size bed which helps! Is this an option for you? This leaves me with ds2, who wakes twice a night, but I can cope with that. When ds wakes up dh gives him breakfast and gets him dressed. Morning time is quality time with dada, before giving him to me at 7.15am. This gives me time to get ready or catch up on sleep depending on the night I have had. After a rocky few weeks, ds is sleeping well (with dh there) and has been sometimes sleeping until 7am Shock

The hitting ds2 phase has passed. We conquered this with lots of positive reinforcement. Ds1 was put in the naughty corner for a minute if he hit ds2. It sounds a shame to ds2, but I kept all the focus on ds1. Lots of wow ds2 look at ds1's cool car/dinosaur/pjs. Play focused on ds1 with ds2 watching. I made sure I had an activity out when breastfeeding. Even if it was just sitting on the floor with cars or at the table drawing. Or cuddling ds1 into the side of me.

General survival. Dh made breakfast. I fill the slow cooker the night before for dinner. I make sandwiches the night before for lunch. This leaves extra time for ds1.

To compensate I haven't pushed ds2 to have a 7pm bedtime yet. Between 7pm and 9pm either dh or I entertain him while the other does the above. Staying up later means he gets attention in the evening and a bigger nap during the day. This nap is on a sling, which increases the chance of him staying asleep while I take ds1 out to burn off energy. Fresh air or softplay depending on weather.

Reading this back it sounds horrendous, but we only like a gentle approach to ds1's sleep. Things are also a thousand times easier than they were at 6weeks. Ds2 loves watching ds1 play. Ds1 now mostly just has kisses for his brother.

We had lots of role play from ds1 with his teddy, I have noticed that since he has settled that this has stopped. I wonder if it was him processing the change?

We don't normally have a lot of tv in our house, but I watched a disney movie every day for weeks. Sometimes you just need another babysitter!

Hope some of this helps. A huge post Smile

RubyrooUK · 02/10/2013 20:45

Hm, I have two with pretty much the same age gap. They are now three and six months.

I can only sympathise. My DS1 has always been super clingy and still wakes up most nights. My DS2 is still a baby so also wakes up a fair bit for feeds. I live on coffee and chocolate. Caffeine is my closest friend.

I too had a section and it took about four months for me to feel like myself again so don't write off how hard the recovery is. I definitely found it easier to cope as I got stronger. Now I don't keep DS1 (also at part time nursery while I'm on mat leave) in nursery for the whole day but I really needed to do so early on when I was feeling so tired and weak. Don't feel bad - you are getting better and spending time bonding with your baby, which is important for everyone.

We go through cycles of things being easier or harder. DS1 adores DS2, telling him he loves him so much and being very kind to him. He even tries to breastfeed him. So that is great.

But sometimes DS1 also finds it hard to share and although he has never mean to his brother, he has recently demanded that I give him a hug to sleep (DH now not allowed); he likes eating rice cakes like a baby (hated them before); chews his hands (like his brother); breaks down in tears when his brother cries (to get the attention).

The things I do that have helped us get through the days are:

  • I always make out that DS1 and I are a team. So we do a lot of rolling eyes at "crazy babies" who need to eat endlessly and I spend a lot of time reinforcing how brilliant it is to be big and get to eat croissant and Cheerios and how babies can't do these things yet. DS is always shouting "babies do dropping!" or "oh my goodness babies need a lot of milk".
  • Lots and lots and lots of positivity whenever DS1 does anything nice for DS2. So basically he knows that if he wants a whole load of good attention, he should be nice to his brother. (He now does this in public while announcing to passing strangers "look at me, I am SUCH a good brother" Grin).
  • I keep discipline as bright and breezy as possible. So if DS1 does something naughty, he gets a warning (except for hitting/pushing/kicking, which is straight to time out). Then I very calmly put him in time out so he can think about why that isn't nice behaviour, then he apologises, we hug, kiss and make up. I try really hard not to lose my rag even when he is being incredibly annoying because I think he needs me to tell him what is ok and not ok when so much has changed in his world recently. And I don't want to make a huge deal of it so he does more naughty things for attention.
  • Send in your DH in the night and get him to use tricks like "ok mummy's coming, she's just in the toilet, just lie down and we will cuddle till she gets here" until your DD is asleep. We have DS1 in a single bed so DH can sleep in there with him if necessary. It doesn't always work, but sometimes it does, which improves things.

It does get better, I promise. And when you see your tiny baby actively laughing at their older sibling, you will be amazed how quick that connection is there. Tonight DS1 and I did "pirate dancing" in the kitchen while DS2 played his keyboard for the music giggling at us.

(I am still fucking tired.)

RubyrooUK · 02/10/2013 21:15

Ps. Sorry for typing mistakes. See aforementioned tired comment. Smile

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RubyrooUK · 02/10/2013 22:24

It's fine Zoo, your DD will still be centre of the universe and will simply have a new slave in her army. Grin

(I am the eldest child in my family.)

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Bumpsadaisie · 03/10/2013 16:14

Zoo, my DD adores her little brother and is so proud of him and excited when he starts learning to do the next new thing.

Yes, she has had to make some sacrifices, but she has gained much more than she has lost!

Don't worry about your DD!

ThreeBecameFour · 03/10/2013 16:42

Oh thank you all! This makes me feel much more positive. I think the bone aching tiredness and still not feeling 100% really plays a part in me feeling like I can't cope. Reading your post RubyRooUK has made me question how I react to things. I will try to be better at praising good behaviour and the team thing... that is a really good idea... We had an incident today where dd kicked ds in the head (he is ok) she went straight on the naughty step and we didn't go on a play date. I think me really setting boundaries is helping too.... this parenting thing is such hard work! (Not that I ever thought it wasn't) but terrible twos.. Good grief!!!!
I really appreciate all your replies thank you! If you have any more words of wisdom or experience keep them coming!

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