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Tired, naughty or normal? What to do?

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gourd · 02/10/2013 10:48

I'm at a loss here. Our just-turned-3 YO is speech delayed and is aware of this, acutely. She has started to not play with other kids unless they are older or kids she knows well already. She wants one to one with CM all the time and tried to physically drag CM away from other kids (holds her hand and pulls), or makes sure she gets more attention by being naughty - which isn’t possible as there are other LOs there, two are much younger than DD so they need more attention.

Our LO stops the others from going to playgroup. We know how annoying this is for other parents as our DD was prevented from going out by the behaviour of other older kids in the past. Those kids did not stay long at the CMs. Our DD doesn’t enjoy big groups (has tantrum, wont get ready then takes shoes/clothes off in street etc to stop them going or to make them all late, then won’t join in when she gets there unless it is crafts or physical play where she is not expected to talk/sing words - unless it is a song she can sing all the words to she won’t do it). She is lovely at home, very intelligent, already reading aloud letters and counting, knows how many there are up to about 6 or 7 without even counting them, can do basic addition, knows 2 and 2 is 4 , 1 and 1 is 2 etc, does great complex role plays about pirates and kings crowns, dragons and knights (foam sword used well here!), likes being a “vet” and bandaging her soft toy hourses hooves, uses dolls house very sweetly, cooks pretend meals for us and sets out “picnics” for her soft toys etc. She has tantrums of course, but nothing like the ones she has at CMs and they don’t affect others in the same way so less of an issue at home.

We understand her speech very well though. I wonder how much is related to speech delay and how much is just her wanting her own way. Worried well lose place at CMs if family reports of bad behaviour don’t get better. Have said this to DD and she agreed that she needs to be kind to CM and other kids, needs to do what CM tells her to do, needs to get ready when told to, not thrown things or shout when cross but to use her words to tell CM.. I also tell her that sometimes she has to do things she doesn’t want to and so does Mummy! She is bright enough to understand and actually agrees that this is what she needs to do, but at 3 seems rather unlikely to put any of this into action at critical moments. I’m stressed at work and so busy there and at home that there is no time to even sit and talk about anything with OH or CM. CM and I write in a book that goes between our houses each day and I cant even write in it every day. In the evenings we struggle to get her to bed at her old bedtime. Sine toilet training a month before she was 3 (about 2 months ago now) she wants to use toilet constantly, and will sit in the dark (we switch light off and pretend to go to bed) so even that is not working that well. I go to bed as soon as she does- i.e. 8:30-9pm as I wake up 3-5 time a night anyway (partner has trapped nerve that keeps us both awake, plus stress and hormones usually conspire to wake me up sweating anyway) so I’m too shattered to get up at 6 if I don’t go to bed as soon as I can at night. I don’t watch ANY TV!! Both I and OH are exhausted and upset/stressed about her behaviour at CMs and the perilous place she now has at CMs. DD can be extremely tearful in the morning, seems sad and genuinely upset, weeps at minor things, wants some kid of reassurance of us meeting her endless demands on doorstep of CMs taking her shoes off (when she does this herself usually), kissing teddy etc). I don’t do this and I feel that hug, kiss and Bye, see you later have a nice day” HAS to be enough reassurance – otherwise it escalates into a screaming/crying tantrum if you meet her huge list of demands on the doorstep and makes us late for work an therefore for collecting her later as we have to make up the time. She only started doing this literally after toilet training. Is she just tired due to not going to bed for an extra 30-40 minutes since then? Or is ot a return to baby-stage cos she is genuinely needing reassurance? She naps 2-4 hours Fri-Sun so possibly she is knackered. She’s always done this though. We are all exhausted every weekend so that’s normal and won’t change due to working hours/commute etc in the week. Is the extra half hour/forty minutes she now takes each night to get to bed the sole cause of all this? We can’t start the bedtime routine any earlier in the week (only at weekends when we all go to bed earlier and get up later so get a lot more sleep). In the week we literally get up from eating tea and start on DDs shower etc (not time for anything else) so we can’t get her to bed any earlier if she keeps on with this going to toilet several times 30-40 minutes after the original bedtime. How can we crack this one? We have started physically putting her in her room after 2-3 mins of sitting on toilet, but she comes out again and sits on it again over and over, until we both go in our bedroom in the dark, all light in house out, then she goes to bed (we live in a bungalow so no stairs). We’ve started doing this quickly after one or two toilet visits, but it still takes ages for her to get the message and gets in the way of my genuinely getting ready for bed, showering, using toilet myself etc.

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ICameOnTheJitney · 02/10/2013 11:38

Gosh you've got it hard at the moment. Brew It sounds very difficult.

The first thing that occurred to me is that your DD might have some sensory issues...how is she with loud or high pitched noises? I assume you've had her hearing tested recently?

With children who are struggling in larger groups, it can often be because they find the noises and bustle too much to deal with...she sounds very bright and also very frustrated.

I wonder if you could possibly take some time off...even a few days leave in order to look for some different childcare? Is she due to begin preschool soon anyway?

gourd · 02/10/2013 13:23

Hearing test results all fine - haev had several tests as part of NHS referral due to LO's speech delay. She loves music (both listening and playing it, including extremely loud cymbals etc) and singing (at home). She actually sings in tune and claps in time as wlel. She's really very good at this. I would imagine that hearing clearly the words she needs to copy is important for speech development and this is impossible in noisy environmentrs, hence possibly why she does not enoy them much though she just mgiht not be a joiner-in anyway> I am certainyl not one of those myself. Our speech therpaist suggested nursery is not ideal at this point yet CM really heavily promoting it to point that we feel we have no choice if we want to use saem CM, but to use a part time nursery place on top and have current CM to do drop-off/collection.

Speech therapist said nursery best a year before school (at 4) and must be one linked to school so she benefits from peer and teacher support on starting school - in terms of helping her speech development. CM does not drive or live near school nursery which also does not have place till Sept 2014 anyway - which is when we origially thought of sending her anyway (she will need new CM near school at this point). We had hoped to use current CM who has been brilliant and whom child loves untill Sept 2014. This is now looking like it might not be possible. The nursery near CMs has place from Jan which is when our child would be eligible for the g'ment funded place(I am not able to pay for nursery on top of CM). We feel this is a good compromise - to use that Jan0Sept along with currnet CM aand then swap to local CM and school-nursery in Seot 2014, but still feel that at this point nursery will do little to help her speech and may even hinder it, even though socially she may enjoy finding another child like herself to play with.The trouble is our current CM struggling to cope with her behaviour is making us think we may just have to find alternative care now anyway.

Current CM seems to think nursery will magically make bahviour better, but can current CM stick it out till Jan? LO will not be going full time even in Jan and she cant start before then as there isnt a place till Jan (and even then only at the nursery near current CMS, not at the school near us) and our child isn't eligible for funding till Jan either.

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gourd · 02/10/2013 13:27

Hmm idea of time off sooo tempting. Feeling like taking sick days to be honest just to get a rest. Cant take time off till half term when CM has a week hol so I have booked annual leave. Stupidly busy at work with it being start of term. Vv stressful. I work 4 days but my workload is just the same (exactly the same work) as when I worked 5 only now I get less pay. There is no "cover" for my "day off" (which is when we have speech therapy sessions). This is how it is for all part timers in Higher Ed though!

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ICameOnTheJitney · 02/10/2013 13:56

I think you might be embroiling yourself in keeping this CM no matter what...and even if DD loves her and she's great, she's not doing that well with her is she....I tend to agree with CM that nursery can be a marvelous help. My friend has just sent her 3 year old DS to nursery and he has a speech disorder....he's in heaven. He didn't settle with a CM at all...hated the other kids interacting with him but nursery is such a different environment.

I would be tempted to cut my losses and use the nursery from Jan if I were you...she's not happy with CM anyway and seems to be displaying a lot of unhappy behaviour around her.

gourd · 02/10/2013 14:05

We cant use the private nursery near CMs unless we have a CM near the nursery if you see what I mean? The school nursery near our house doesnt have a place till Sept 2014, so that is when we'll swap to another CM who live nearby and can do drop off/collection form our local nursery/school. Our currnetCM lives 3 miles fomr our house/local nursery/school so ant take her there but there sint another good nursery ecet teh one near hers so we were hoping to carry on using her if child gets a place at that nursery near hers in Jan. We could look or another CM in that area I suppose but that seems a bit pointless when I wouldnt have chosen that nursery anyway and want LO to go to the local school one in Sept. We might as well just get a new and local CM now (there is one nearby with a place) which then will of course mean that we do definitely have a CM place available when we want to start using the local nursery school in Sept -as without a local CM place availavle at the same time we cant accept the nursery place anyway, they must match up! Hmm think you've convinced me not to bother with the other nursery and just to get a new and local CM place instead, so that LO can definitely take up the local nursery place in Sept.

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ICameOnTheJitney · 02/10/2013 14:23

Yes I think that's a good plan. DD sounds like she could do with the change...perhaps a different environment might help...

gourd · 02/10/2013 15:18

Thanks for this - it's really helped me clear my head. Yes think this would work best for everyone. Would resolve current CMs difficulties, reserve the place at the local CMs meaning we can actually take up the nursery place offer in Sept 2014 and make the transition easier for DD in that she'll only have one change at a time and not new CM and a new nursery all at once. Logistically things will be a lot easier for us all too as local CM is VERY local.. Now it's just a matter of whether local CM with the place available is OK. Have to arrange to visit ASAP, then give months notice etc. Thank you again!

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