Advice needed early waking 3 yr old and 7 yr old

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We have tried everything !! 530 - 6am wake up for both (they sleep in separate rooms ! ) we have tried bunny clocks , black out blinds , later bed times ,sticker charts etc but they still wake up early . We are all so grumpy , advice /support would be helpful especially from anyone whose children sleep till a more reasonable hour ! Anyone used a sleep consultant ? Was it worth the money ? Thanks

Erm....this seems pretty normal to me! I have a DD of 5 and a DS of 3 and they wake up at this time, exactly at the same time as each other.
I just make sure they are both in bed by 7. Then I get my evenings to myself (bliss!) and everyone gets enough sleep.

Yep I would just resign yourself to 6 am although that is my personal absolute earliest acceptable. We use a groclock for our DD who is nearly 4 and if she gets up before it is time she is simply taken back to her room. We also take turns getting up with her at weekends so each get at least one lie-in (or at least we did before DS arrived 16 wks ago ).

both mine had a digital clock by the age of 3 and if they came through before 7am then they were taken back to bed and told to stay there until it was time to get up I.e. when the clock said 7:00

Groclocks set to 6am. Back to bedroom to lie in bed if before then.
Resign yourself to an early start, and go to bed early.
We've now pushed 4yr old DS1 to 6.20

Thanks. We had resigned ourselves to early starts and older dc does go back to her room to play until 7am .our youngest dc is refusing to stay in bed or play in room but may try groclock or digital clock . Dd is 7 this week and I was sort of wishing she may start sleeping longer ... No such luck ...

What do they do? Could they go downstairs and watch TV together?

Leave out something they can eat- and let thm get on with it!

Push the time gently. Is 7 your idea of an early start?

If they are up at 5.30, and you say 7, those 90 mins are too long.

So, start at 5.45, and when that becomes normal waking, push it to 6am. We have one of these which sounds an alarm during the week, but we just leave on a light at the weekends (ie light goes green at week day rising time, but doesn't sounds an alarm, so there is a chance of a lie in (hahaha). I do often hear him hitting the time button to find out its 5.17, 5.17, 5.17, 5.18......

Do they sleep for a consistent number of hours? If say, 10 or 11 hours seems to be their thing, then there's not much point in putting them to bed at say, 7pm and expecting them to sleep for 12 hours, they just won't.

However later bed-times won't be an instant fix, I think you have to take a gradual approach of maybe 10 mins later each night - building up to an hour or so later - for a week or two and see if you get results.

Also probably worth ruling out things like eg central heating coming on waking them up, traffic noise etc. Daylight per se shouldn't make much difference if they wake up at 5.30 all year round whether or not it is light outside. Oh and don't leave too long a gap between their last evening meal and bedtime - hunger can wake them up too!